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quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:52 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:00 -!- ron2 [~ron@139.28.218.198] has quit [] 13:17 -!- carldani1 [~carldani@185.204.1.185] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:38 -!- davterra [~dulyNoded@195.242.213.120] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:38 -!- davterra [~dulyNoded@195.242.213.120] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:53 -!- justan0theruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:55 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:24 -!- slivera [slivera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/slivera] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:35 -!- aguycalled [~user@unaffiliated/aguycalled] has quit [Quit: bye] 14:36 -!- aguycalled [~user@unaffiliated/aguycalled] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:41 < DougieBot5000> Does anyone happen to know any resources on the reduction of elliptic curve discrete logarithm to an NP-Complete fproblem like Boolean Satisfiability? I am having no luck in my searches 14:42 < DougieBot5000> I would prefer not to have to run a C source file with a dumbed down version of the algorithm through a bounded model checker, since I asusme a direct reduction would require fewer clauses/variables (and a lot less wor massaging the code to something the model checker will accept) 14:44 < DougieBot5000> I assume a reduction from EC-DLP to an NP-Complete problem exists (since DLP is believed to be NP-Intermediate) 15:13 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:14 -!- davterra [~dulyNoded@195.242.213.120] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:15 -!- davterra [~dulyNoded@195.242.213.120] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:16 -!- moriarty [~lwuptb6z@unaffiliated/moriarty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:22 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:25 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [] 16:00 -!- carldani1 [~carldani@185.204.1.185] has quit [] 16:02 -!- slivera [slivera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/slivera] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:48 < kanzure> "Bitcoin coin selection with leverage" https://arxiv.org/pdf/1911.01330.pdf 16:48 < kanzure> https://engineering.cmu.edu/thailand/_files/documents/tendrilstaller-block-delay-attack-in-bitcoin.pdf 16:59 -!- fox2p_ [~fox2p@cpe-66-108-40-154.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:02 -!- fox2p [~fox2p@cpe-66-108-32-173.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:08 -!- McMurdo [~McMurdo31@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmurdo] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:12 -!- McMurdo [~McMurdo31@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmurdo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:17 -!- Inigo_Montoya1 [~Inigo_Mon@185.204.1.185] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:20 -!- McMurdo [~McMurdo31@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmurdo] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 17:37 -!- McMurdo [~McMurdo31@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmurdo] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:40 < harding> I don't quite get that "coin selection with leverage" paper. IIUC, the basic idea seems to be that you have two payment requests; you attempt to generate a changeless transaction to fulfill the first request and store whichever attempt produces a change output nearest the value of the second payment request. That way, if you fail to generate a changeless transaction for the first request, you can at least ensure that you generate 17:40 < harding> a changeless transaction for the second request by sending the saved near-match. That seems smart, but I would think the spender would save money by just batching the two payment requests into the same transaction, since that would eliminate the overhead of a second transaction and since they already found a set of inputs whose amounts equal the total desired payout amounts (including fees). 17:47 -!- moriarty [~lwuptb6z@unaffiliated/moriarty] has left #bitcoin-wizards [] 18:14 -!- McMurdo [~McMurdo31@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmurdo] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:27 -!- McMurdo [~McMurdo31@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmurdo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:28 -!- riclas [riclas@77.7.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:28 -!- McMurdo [~McMurdo31@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmurdo] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:29 -!- TheoStorm [~TheoStorm@host-p8vu8h.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:00 -!- Inigo_Montoya1 [~Inigo_Mon@185.204.1.185] has quit [] 19:16 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@unaffiliated/belkaar] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 19:17 -!- dlareg1 [~dlareg@195.206.183.79] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:17 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@xdsl-78-35-81-243.nc.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:17 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@xdsl-78-35-81-243.nc.de] has quit [Changing host] 19:17 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@unaffiliated/belkaar] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:26 -!- reallll [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:29 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:33 -!- McMurdo [~McMurdo31@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmurdo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:34 -!- McMurdo [~McMurdo31@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmurdo] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:36 -!- McMurdo [~McMurdo31@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmurdo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:41 -!- McMurdo [~McMurdo31@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmurdo] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 19:42 -!- McMurdo [~McMurdo31@gateway/tor-sasl/mcmurdo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:14 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 21:38 -!- justan0theruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:39 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 21:50 -!- jtimon [~quassel@22.133.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 22:00 -!- dlareg1 [~dlareg@195.206.183.79] has quit [] 22:17 -!- greynix [~greynix@77.243.177.38] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 22:24 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:44 -!- kabaum [~kabaum@2001:9b1:efd:9b00::281] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 22:53 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:06 -!- Emcy_ [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:08 -!- Emcy [~Emcy@unaffiliated/emcy] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:37 -!- openoms [~quassel@185.174.156.219] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] --- Log closed Wed Nov 20 00:00:13 2019