--- Log opened Fri Nov 29 00:00:22 2019 00:02 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:07 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:20 -!- ppartyix [~mix@109.183.7.106] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:29 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:29 -!- ppartyix [~mix@109.183.7.106] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:29 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:39 < tromp> ZmnSCPxj 's commitment poposal COM(X) = (y*G + z*H, y*G + X) where y and z are random and the opening is (y,z,X) seems non-binding, as you can also open to any 00:40 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:42 -!- marcoagner [~user@bl11-16-162.dsl.telepac.pt] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:44 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@unaffiliated/belkaar] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:44 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:48 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@xdsl-85-197-43-198.nc.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:48 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@xdsl-85-197-43-198.nc.de] has quit [Changing host] 00:48 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@unaffiliated/belkaar] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:49 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:51 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:59 -!- queip_ [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:00 -!- James_F1 [~James_F@89.238.178.75] has quit [] 01:00 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:00 -!- queip_ is now known as queip 01:01 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:01 -!- jungly [~quassel@79.8.200.97] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:09 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:12 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:15 -!- lowentropy [~lowentrop@gateway/tor-sasl/lowentropy] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:17 -!- lowentropy [~lowentrop@gateway/tor-sasl/lowentropy] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:26 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:27 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:32 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:38 -!- morcos [~morcos@gateway/tor-sasl/morcos] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:39 -!- Socoro [~mix@141.98.103.204] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:41 -!- Zenton [~user@unaffiliated/vicenteh] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:44 -!- nitind1 [~nitind@195.206.169.238] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:45 -!- morcos [~morcos@gateway/tor-sasl/morcos] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:48 -!- nijynot [~nijynot@83-233-23-98.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:53 -!- TheoStorm [~TheoStorm@host-p8vu8h.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:53 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:00 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@2a02:1205:500f:2e90:d08:949d:9420:76eb] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:01 -!- jonatack__ [~jon@37.170.46.209] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:04 -!- jonatack_ [~jon@37.170.165.151] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:07 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:13 < aj> tromp: given A,B,x,y if A=y*G+z*H, then if you know another x',y' st A=x'*G+y'*H then you've found the discrete log of H (y'-y)*H=(x-x')*G; and if you don't there's only one value of X you can get namely X=B-y*G 02:14 < aj> er, A=x*G+y*H even 02:14 < tromp> yes, Pedersen commitments are computationally binding 02:14 < tromp> but ZmnSCPxj's differs from those 02:16 < aj> tromp: not sure i follow; the COM() you quoted/critiqued was from Lloyd Fournier's post wasn't it? 02:40 < waxwing> i haven't read the post but what you wrote there doesn't look right tromp . if you attempt to open that commitment to the two points you get don't equal (yG+zH, yG+X). what you said would only make sense if those two points were added together. 02:40 < waxwing> i presume the commitment (like elgamal) involves committing to two points, not one? i guess i should actually read it :) 02:52 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@2a02:1205:500f:2e90:d08:949d:9420:76eb] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz...] 02:54 < waxwing> it makes sense to me as a solution to the problem (being: how to commit to a *point*, not a scalar): first, blind the point X with a tweak y, so (yG + X), then commit to y with a standard Pedersen commitment to y. 02:57 -!- jungly [~quassel@79.8.200.97] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 03:03 -!- nijynot [~nijynot@83-233-23-98.cust.bredband2.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:03 -!- nijynot [~nijynot@83-233-23-98.cust.bredband2.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:24 -!- riclas [riclas@77.7.37.188.rev.vodafone.pt] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:57 < tromp> sorry; my bad (math) 04:00 -!- nitind1 [~nitind@195.206.169.238] has quit [] 04:03 < tromp> in repentance, let me try point out some typos in waxwing's excellent "From Zero (Knowledge) to Bulletproofs" 04:05 < tromp> on page 23, there are four lines using x . dy . y . dx instead of x . dy + y . dx 04:06 < tromp> waxwing, how do you compute z there without having x . dy + y . dx available? 04:17 -!- DrHaribo1 [~DrHaribo@139.28.218.198] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:46 < waxwing> i'll keep my mouth shut next time lol 04:47 < waxwing> (seriously though thanks, could you open an issue/PR on the github repo if you find typos?) 05:12 -!- nir [~textual@62.26.157.20] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:19 -!- slivera [slivera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/slivera] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:27 -!- jonatack__ [~jon@37.170.46.209] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:27 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@169.204.90.212.static.wline.lns.sme.cust.swisscom.ch] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:47 -!- nir [~textual@62.26.157.20] has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 06:01 -!- wk057 [~wk@unaffiliated/wizkid057] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:06 -!- wk057 [~wk@unaffiliated/wizkid057] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:09 -!- wk057 [~wk@unaffiliated/wizkid057] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:10 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:10 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:13 -!- wk057 [~wk@unaffiliated/wizkid057] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:15 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:22 -!- superkuh [~superkuh@unaffiliated/superkuh] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:34 -!- jonatack__ [~jon@37.170.46.209] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:37 -!- jonatack__ [~jon@37.170.46.209] has quit [Client Quit] 06:37 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.170.46.209] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:47 -!- TheoStorm [~TheoStorm@host-p8vu8h.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:00 -!- DrHaribo1 [~DrHaribo@139.28.218.198] has quit [] 07:09 -!- Guyver2 [AdiIRC@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:18 -!- antanst- [~antanst@62.169.219.213] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.7.5 - 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