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Anywhere.] 03:59 -!- davispuh [~quassel@95.68.80.195] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:00 -!- zorun1 [~zorun@94.229.74.91] has quit [] 04:00 -!- davispuh [~quassel@95.68.80.195] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:01 < sipa> jeremyrubin: you may want to answer https://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/q/92746/208 04:02 -!- meshcollider [meshcollid@209.141.50.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:05 -!- davispuh [~quassel@87.110.32.91] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:10 < waxwing> fluffypony, that page doesn't exist 04:10 < rottensox> ye. they nuked the tweet, seems like. 04:17 -!- JohninLex [~JohninLex@185.204.1.185] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:17 -!- slivera [slivera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/slivera] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:26 -!- jungly [~quassel@host97-200-static.8-79-b.business.telecomitalia.it] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:28 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:9473:5fd2:3f61:5108] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:38 -!- shush 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The future outputs set by CTV are only tenitive and could be changed by the participants. 15:57 < jeremyrubin> I can add a note on it; but it's also something that requires taproot/schnorr and i wanted to underscore why CTV is a benefit standalone 15:59 -!- gmaxwell [gmaxwell@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001] has left #bitcoin-wizards [] 15:59 < jeremyrubin> actually I'm fairly certain "CTV also enables new kinds of non-interactive protocols, which can eliminate a transaction between "withdraw from coinbase" and "open lightning channel". 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