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If a 1-in-1-out SIGHASH_SINGLE transaction is created sending to the same address and the corresponding key deleted, the only possible way to spend those coins is to compose that SIGHASH_SINGLE snippet in another transaction. 15:13 < kanzure> you can have a "perpetual covenant" by deleting a key and making a coin unspendable anyway 15:13 < bsm1175321> Well, there are lots of ways to make coins unspendable. All the other ways don't create new transaction load though. 15:14 < bsm1175321> Note the above doesn't work with pubkey recovery since the output commits to the pubkey. You have to actually delete a key or trust that someone did delete it. 15:15 < bsm1175321> In as much as "perpetual covenants" is used as an argument against certain covenant mechansims... 15:20 -!- davispuh [~quassel@46.109.95.214] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:24 -!- Guyver2 [AdiIRC@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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the sig in the witness script itself 16:17 -!- Implant1 [~Implant@139.28.218.198] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:40 < bsm1175321> roasbeef: can't put that sig in the witness script, since it's hashed as the address, and the msg depends on that address, so you have a circular dependency. 16:41 < bsm1175321> e.g. can't sign it since the msg depends on the signature 17:13 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:17 -!- marcoagner [~user@2001:8a0:6a44:d000:fdf8:4cc:db47:dd0a] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:20 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:20 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:25 -!- TheoStorm [~TheoStorm@host-p8vu8h.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:33 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@unaffiliated/belkaar] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:34 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@xdsl-78-35-206-245.nc.de] has joined 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