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Deadline is March 5, 2020, see https://ieeesb.org 05:08 -!- AbramAdelmo_ [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:09 -!- slivera [slivera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/slivera] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:11 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:25 < kanzure> real_or_random: will the publications be publicly available by the workshop date? 05:30 -!- slivera [slivera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/slivera] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:31 -!- AbramAdelmo_ [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:32 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:39 < real_or_random> kanzure: that depends. authors can choose to publish their papers in the proeedings (IEEE), or opt-out of publication entirely. if they want to publish in the proceedings, and they want their papers to be available publicly and free of charge, it's a clever idea to upload the preprint to arxiv before they submit. then the IEEE guidelines will allow to update the arxiv version with the accepted version 05:39 < real_or_random> I know academia is broken but I'm not the one who will fix it 05:40 < kanzure> hrm okay. was trying to mark my calendar for when to go read things. 05:51 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:57 -!- Unknown_ [5e19ab5a@94.25.171.90] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:59 < Unknown_> Hi there 05:59 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:03 -!- Unknown_ [5e19ab5a@94.25.171.90] has left #bitcoin-wizards [] 06:11 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:32 -!- IGHOR [~quassel@93.178.216.72] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org ? 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I'm developing an alt and want to know if it should be included 08:44 -!- DrLex [~DrLex@185.106.105.248] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:44 -!- DrLex [~DrLex@185.106.105.248] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:45 < andytoshi> someone235_: if you're going to deviate from bitcoin script you should throw it out entirely 08:45 < andytoshi> instagibbs: heh yeah, good idea 08:48 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:49 < pinheadmz> andytoshi: why throw it out if its useful? 08:50 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:b147:aa06:f89b:edc9] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:53 < sipa> pinheadmz: i think andytoshi means replace it entirely with something more sane 08:54 < pinheadmz> a more sane way to store values off the main stack? like named variables or something? 08:54 < sipa> i would not pick an imperative stack based language at all 08:55 < pinheadmz> ohhhh replace it ENTIRELY ok 08:55 < sipa> more something like miniscript's policy language 08:55 < sipa> or simplicity 08:58 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:b147:aa06:f89b:edc9] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:01 -!- aupiff [~aupiff@cpe-66-65-118-87.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:02 < andytoshi> yes, i did mean replace it entirely 09:02 < andytoshi> i encourage you to use Simplicity 09:03 < andytoshi> see https://github.com/ElementsProject/elements/tree/simplicity where this is partially done 09:11 < sipa> there are advantaged to having something expressive likely simplicity embedded in a simpler more private construction like taproot 09:16 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:18 < someone235_> thanks for the help! 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