--- Log opened Sat Feb 08 00:00:33 2020 00:22 -!- funnyduckey [b2b6e9d1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.178.182.233.209] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:24 < funnyduckey> hey all; I've a question related to Bitcoin-NG, I've just skimmed through its paper and some of the other papers that tackle its security 00:25 < funnyduckey> surprisingly, I seem unable to find a clear answer to a very basic question; which is - what constitutes the actual crypto-puzzle in Bitcoin-NG 00:26 < funnyduckey> I have two ideas: 1) miners mine only on key blocks 2) miners ale allowed to mine on the very 'regular' blocks 00:29 < funnyduckey> if it was required to mine on the key-block only, then the crypto-puzzle would be the same throughout the leader's epoch; and a new leader would just sign the consecutive regular block confirming the history of events 00:31 < funnyduckey> but then I found this paper "Game-Theoretical Analysis of Mining Strategy for 00:31 < funnyduckey> Bitcoin-NG Blockchain Protocol" https://arxiv.org/pdf/1911.00900.pdf 00:34 < funnyduckey> which seems to argue that miners can mine on 'regular' blocks,but then there' s a new crypto-puzzle every 10 sec 00:36 < funnyduckey> then they build an entire 'advanced attack' based on this assumption; why not just mine on the key-blocks; make the miners occupied with a single puzzle and sign the latest regular block (by new leader) 00:48 -!- gmaxwell [gmaxwell@wikimedia/KatWalsh/x-0001] has left #bitcoin-wizards [] 00:56 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:00 -!- voet [~voet@195.206.183.79] has quit [] 01:02 < funnyduckey> wow, this channel is a quiet one; isn't it ('off-topic' label incoming in 3..2...1) 01:06 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:15 -!- funnyduckey [b2b6e9d1@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.178.182.233.209] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 01:17 -!- solirc [~solirc@84.39.116.180] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:28 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:33 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:33 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:e8fc:7de4:cdf3:3ffb] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:35 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:38 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:e8fc:7de4:cdf3:3ffb] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:46 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:51 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:00 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:e8fc:7de4:cdf3:3ffb] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:07 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:e8fc:7de4:cdf3:3ffb] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:16 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:e8fc:7de4:cdf3:3ffb] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:21 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:e8fc:7de4:cdf3:3ffb] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:35 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:e8fc:7de4:cdf3:3ffb] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:40 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:e8fc:7de4:cdf3:3ffb] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:41 -!- AbramAdelmo [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:45 -!- AbramAdelmo_ [AbramAdelm@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/abramadelmo] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:54 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:e8fc:7de4:cdf3:3ffb] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:57 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:59 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:e8fc:7de4:cdf3:3ffb] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:00 -!- solirc [~solirc@84.39.116.180] has quit [] 04:01 -!- PaulTroon [~paultroon@h-5-150-248-150.NA.cust.bahnhof.se] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:11 < waxwing> it doesn't seem remotely off topic (I think?). You were right first time, it's usually just a quiet channel. Real time conversation is rare. 04:17 -!- phoenixlzx1 [~phoenixlz@195.206.169.238] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:18 -!- marcoagner [~user@dsl-55-64.bl26.telepac.pt] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:30 -!- TheoStorm [~TheoStorm@host-p8vu8h.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:47 < tromp_> the actual crypto puzzle in Bitcoin-NG can be any PoW you like. Aeternity for example chose Cuckoo Cycle as PoW 04:48 < tromp_> micro blocks have no PoW 05:48 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:53 -!- ddustin_ [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:53 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:55 -!- ddustin_ [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:55 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:e8fc:7de4:cdf3:3ffb] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:00 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:e8fc:7de4:cdf3:3ffb] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:03 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:e8fc:7de4:cdf3:3ffb] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:07 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:e8fc:7de4:cdf3:3ffb] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:27 -!- davispuh [~quassel@95.68.50.217] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:00 -!- phoenixlzx1 [~phoenixlz@195.206.169.238] has quit [] 07:18 -!- Azor [~Azor@89.249.74.213] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:27 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:e8fc:7de4:cdf3:3ffb] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:34 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:e8fc:7de4:cdf3:3ffb] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:34 -!- TheoStorm [~TheoStorm@host-p8vu8h.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:40 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:e8fc:7de4:cdf3:3ffb] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:45 -!- Guyver2 [Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:59 -!- fox2p [~fox2p@cpe-66-108-32-173.nyc.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:00 -!- fox2p [~fox2p@cpe-66-108-32-173.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:07 -!- spinza [~spin@102.132.245.16] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:08 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:e8fc:7de4:cdf3:3ffb] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:10 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:e8fc:7de4:cdf3:3ffb] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:10 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:11 -!- shesek [~shesek@185.3.145.161] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:11 -!- shesek [~shesek@185.3.145.161] has quit [Changing host] 08:11 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:19 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:e8fc:7de4:cdf3:3ffb] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:22 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:e8fc:7de4:cdf3:3ffb] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:32 -!- son0p [~son0p@201.232.19.90] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:32 -!- davispuh [~quassel@95.68.50.217] has quit [Quit: http://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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