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[~DASPRiD@104.254.90.235] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:19 < bitcoin-wizards7> Zk rollup is far more efficient than CTV, basically same approach. Solves propagation. Recursive proofs Halo style are more flexible than cut-through. Solves IBD.cut-through 08:20 -!- bitcoin-wizards7 [3e71c24b@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.62.113.194.75] has quit [Quit: http://www.kiwiirc.com/ - A hand crafted IRC client] 08:22 < stevenro-> musalbas: not on eprint? 08:40 < sarang> Speaking of Halo, the preprint was just revised: https://eprint.iacr.org/2019/1021 08:49 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:d57c:737a:9cd2:2264] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:49 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:d57c:737a:9cd2:2264] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:57 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:d57c:737a:9cd2:2264] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:04 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@104-182-134-195.lightspeed.cicril.sbcglobal.net] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:14 -!- nuncanada [~dude@187.21.52.222] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:14 < musalbas> don't think so, looks paywalled 09:14 < musalbas> just shared here as title and abstract looks relevant 09:25 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:d57c:737a:9cd2:2264] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:27 < nsh> it's a book chapter/appendix 09:28 < nsh> (on springer, at least) 09:31 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:d57c:737a:9cd2:2264] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:35 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:d57c:737a:9cd2:2264] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:42 < musalbas> it's conference proceedings 09:44 -!- Madars [~null@unaffiliated/madars] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:51 * nsh nods 09:52 -!- jb55 [~jb55@gateway/tor-sasl/jb55] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:00 -!- DASPRiD2 [~DASPRiD@104.254.90.235] has quit [] 10:05 -!- Madars [~null@unaffiliated/madars] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:13 -!- Madars [~null@unaffiliated/madars] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:21 -!- jungly [~jungly@a-si4-24.tin.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:24 -!- jungly [~jungly@a-si4-24.tin.it] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:36 < jeremyrubin> I think a ZK Rollup like technique is complementary to a OP_CTV like thing. 10:38 < jeremyrubin> whoever bitcoin-wizards7 was left the server, but there are good reasons to prefer something like CTV for now. 10:44 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:45 -!- Zenton [~user@unaffiliated/vicenteh] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:47 -!- jungly [~jungly@a-si4-24.tin.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:48 -!- Cros1 [~Cros@195.206.169.238] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:54 < mappum> Has anyone worked on threshold multisig based on taproot which just uses musigs of the distinct subsets of signers? For example, 3-of-5 could just be one 3-subset aggregated key as the key spend path, and the aggregated keys of the 5 remaining 3-subsets in the script tree 10:56 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@92.223.89.145] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:58 < mappum> There's a combinatoric explosion for larger sets, e.g. 10B subsets for 40-of-50, but you could pick a small number of those subsets and depending on what percentage of signers are willing to sign (being at least as high as the threshold), it would be probabilistically likely that one of the subsets is all present 10:58 < mappum> If it's an application where most of the signers will agree most of the time, then it gets to use the key spend path most of the time and is super compact 11:00 < sipa> mappum: not sure what you mean by "worked on", but that approach is explained in BIP 342 11:01 < sipa> https://github.com/bitcoin/bips/blob/master/bip-0342.mediawiki#cite_note-5 11:01 < sipa> ah, it does not mention the ability to have one aggregate as the key path 11:02 < mappum> sipa: oh cool, I've been reading an older version that I printed out a long time ago 11:03 < mappum> but what I'm thinking is that for the large sets, you can also have the big linear OP_CHECKSIGADD script as a fallback. so in most cases you'll either get to use the aggregated key path, or an aggregated key script path 11:10 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [] 11:12 < sipa> mappum: good point 11:19 < mappum> It sucks that the signers would have to either know which of the musig subsets they are signing for, or sign for all the subsets at once. It would be cool if one partial signature could be aggregated into any of the given musig subsets 11:23 -!- laurentmt [~Thunderbi@92.223.89.145] has quit [Quit: laurentmt] 11:23 < mappum> It would be possible if c in the signature committed to the full set of possible signers rather than the aggregated subset key, but that would require something different from a normal schnorr checksig op 11:28 -!- slivera [~slivera@217.138.204.106] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:45 -!- nirved [~nirved@2a02:8071:b58a:3c00:3ca6:9fb9:2e23:4e12] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 11:47 -!- nirved [~nirved@2a02:8071:b58a:3c00:3ca6:9fb9:2e23:4e12] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:52 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:d57c:737a:9cd2:2264] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:52 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:d57c:737a:9cd2:2264] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 11:57 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:d57c:737a:9cd2:2264] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:58 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:d57c:737a:9cd2:2264] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:00 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:02 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:d57c:737a:9cd2:2264] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:06 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:d57c:737a:9cd2:2264] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:18 < uiuc-slack3> Hey 12:28 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 12:29 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:30 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:d57c:737a:9cd2:2264] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:46 -!- Zenton [~user@unaffiliated/vicenteh] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:47 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@38.126.31.226] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:48 -!- jungly [~jungly@a-si4-24.tin.it] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 12:58 -!- instagibbs [~instagibb@pool-71-178-191-230.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:00 -!- Cros1 [~Cros@195.206.169.238] has quit [] 13:00 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:04 -!- ddustin_ [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:05 -!- instagibbs [~instagibb@pool-71-178-191-230.washdc.fios.verizon.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:15 -!- ddustin_ [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:15 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:16 -!- ddustin__ [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:16 -!- Kiminuo [~mix@141.98.103.124] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:16 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:16 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:16 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:17 -!- mreider [~mreider@141.98.101.133] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:20 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Client Quit] 13:22 -!- jungly [~jungly@a-si4-24.tin.it] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:29 -!- jungly [~jungly@a-si4-24.tin.it] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:33 -!- Guyver2_ [Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:36 -!- Guyver2 [Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:39 -!- shush [~pawn@wsip-98-187-254-138.sd.sd.cox.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 13:48 -!- jcoe1 [seru@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/joncoe] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 13:57 -!- ddustin__ [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:58 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:03 -!- ddustin [~ddustin@unaffiliated/ddustin] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:06 -!- Guyver2_ [Guyver@guyver2.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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bitcoin use that class groups are ^ 20:33 -!- nick_freeman [~nick_free@2001:16b8:301a:3500:f9a3:526c:25d3:eafc] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 20:35 < sipa> obviously :) 20:35 < sipa> not even an exponential gap? 20:35 < sipa> bold 20:40 -!- othe [fluffypony@coreteam.getmonero.org] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:40 -!- fluffypony [fluffypony@unaffiliated/fluffypony] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:41 < meshcollider> time till tell ;) 20:41 < meshcollider> will* 20:42 < sipa> meshcollider: q=2^100, so a characteristic 2 field? 20:42 -!- nick_freeman [~nick_free@92.116.162.68] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:44 -!- othe [fluffypony@coreteam.getmonero.org] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:45 < meshcollider> No, just mean a prime around ~100 bits 20:46 < sipa> ah, ok 20:46 -!- fluffypony [fluffypony@unaffiliated/fluffypony] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:46 < meshcollider> Sorry there shouldn't be an = there 20:57 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit 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