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07:19 < bsm117532> zmnscpxj: I've been thinking a lot about single use seals. What proposals/implementations exist besides hashing a Merkle tree into bitcoin and using bitcoin itself to "close" the seals?
07:20 < bsm117532> The next problem is getting bitcoin script to verify that a seal is open or closed...
07:21 < bsm117532> Mainstay seems to be an ordered Merkle tree such that you can prove presence or absence of a certain quantity. I watched a talk yesterday by petertodd about this, and the state storage requirements are pretty extreme, not to mention that you have to update your proofs with every update of the root commitment.
07:21  * bsm117532 still dreams of an efficient O(1) accumulator...
07:23 < bsm117532> https://eprint.iacr.org/2020/196.pdf
07:23 < bsm117532> "We suggest an alternative method of generating groups of unknown order for constructions such as cryptographic accumulators, by using the Jacobian groups of hyperelliptic curves (especially of genus 3)."
07:24 < bsm117532> https://github.com/cambrian/accumulator
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19:05 < luke-jr> has anyone looked into the concept of transaction recipients only being valid if the recipient himself in some way or another also signs the tx?
19:05 < luke-jr> eg, so people cannot send you bitcoins without your consent
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19:05 < zmnscpxj_> luke-jr: you mean like in Lightning?
19:05 < luke-jr> zmnscpxj_: maybe. I was thinking on-chain
19:06 < luke-jr> something to combat the IRS's nonsensical "airdrops are yours whether you like it or not" nonsense
19:06  * luke-jr ponders if Lightning is sufficient for this
19:06 < zmnscpxj_> same principle applies I think: require that it first pays to a 2-of-2 with you and the sender, meaning it is not truly yours *yet* since both of you have to come to an agreement on how to spend the coin
19:07 < zmnscpxj_> then choose whether you would agree to send it back or accept it or something....
19:07 < zmnscpxj_> *shrug*
19:10 < luke-jr> you can't send things back - there's no source
19:10 < luke-jr> err, maybe in your case there is kind of interactively
19:10 < zmnscpxj_> Then it gets stuck in a 2-of-2 forever, which you can plausibly claim is not truly yours (maybe?)
19:10 < luke-jr> but still, that's pretty ugly :P
19:10 < zmnscpxj_> I suppose
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19:14 < luke-jr> hmm, I'm not sure my idea would actually prevent unwelcome airdrops anyway
19:17 < luke-jr> the goal may be impossible given the absurdity of the rule
19:18 < zmnscpxj_> yes
19:19 < zmnscpxj_> The rule is congruent to somebody dumping crap on your lawn and then claiming that the crap is a gift for you and you now owe donation taxes on it
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