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11:08 < CubicEarth> it's always good to have tor as an option, but there is the performance hit
11:08 < yanmaani> not too mcuh data is there?
11:09 < CubicEarth> that's totally subjective  :D
11:10 < yanmaani> it's 1 mb / 10 minutes + txns
11:11 < sipa> tor also has a latency impact
11:11 < sipa> which matters to some nodes (especially miners)
11:12 < sipa> also, tor only connectivity (to random peers) is far easier to eclipse attack than IP-based mechanisms
11:13 < zmnscpxj_> fewer exit nodes
11:14 < CubicEarth> ^^^^
11:15 < zmnscpxj_> Tor *is* useful when your ISP is somehow not sufficiently competent to give you a public IP address
11:16 < CubicEarth> sipa: although explicitly allowing for latency can be very helping in disguising data, so that could / should be an option for some of the plugins
11:17 < sipa> i believe it's extraordinarily hard to beat traffic analysis for bitcoin
11:17 < CubicEarth> or having a constant bitstream, so it looks like a VoIP call is just on going. Mostly it would be garbage data, by txns and blocks would be interspersed as needed
11:18 < zmnscpxj_> bandwidth cost though
11:18 < zmnscpxj_> are we talking about steganography of the bitcoin p2p protocol?
11:18 < sipa> it has very recognizable patterns, and you'd need either huge delays (1 blob every 10*N minutes guaranteed to have at least a few blocks), or a huge bandwidth marking from stuffing the stream with garbage
11:18 < CubicEarth> it's always going to be counter to efficiency... the signal must be hidden in noise
11:19 < CubicEarth> sure, the more you want to hide the meaningful data, the more bandwidth you'd need to consume with junk
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11:23 < yanmaani> sipa: what about streaming it?
11:23 < yanmaani> If you have mempool sync then it won't be a problem
11:24 < zmnscpxj_> mempools are under the control of random people on the internet, so you won't know how much bandwidth that takes up
11:25 < yanmaani> Roughly the same speed as txn sync
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