--- Log opened Sun Jun 14 00:00:49 2020 00:22 -!- slivera [~slivera@103.231.88.22] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:23 -!- jeremyrubin [~jr@c-67-180-60-249.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:28 -!- jeremyrubin [~jr@c-67-180-60-249.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:32 -!- tromp [~tromp@ip-213-127-94-38.ip.prioritytelecom.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:38 -!- tromp [~tromp@ip-213-127-94-38.ip.prioritytelecom.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:46 -!- marcoagner [~user@81.193.76.62] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:49 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.164.219.126] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:59 -!- nick_freeman [~nick_free@2001:16b8:309d:fe00:5c74:6e3e:39b0:65cb] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:01 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:01 -!- justan0theruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:04 -!- nick_freeman [~nick_free@2001:16b8:309d:fe00:5c74:6e3e:39b0:65cb] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:06 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:adca:e7c2:cb42:1ae8] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:13 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:adca:e7c2:cb42:1ae8] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:14 -!- nick_freeman [~nick_free@i5C749104.versanet.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:15 -!- nick_fre_ [~nick_free@2001:16b8:309d:fe00:f405:9540:95b:d8aa] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:15 -!- nick_freeman [~nick_free@i5C749104.versanet.de] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:22 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:23 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:41 -!- meshcollider [meshcollid@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-ikxxkkevaummteet] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:41 -!- felixweis [sid154231@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-lltapfrlamgfxrnm] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:41 -!- wallet42 [sid154231@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-qxkrpcnnakptdxdo] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:59 -!- TheoStorm [~TheoStorm@host-p8vu8h.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:00 -!- Flaim1 [~Flaim@185.103.96.135] has quit [] 02:00 -!- meshcollider [meshcollid@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-xzvrglkvhfqpvcsv] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:16 -!- harrigan [~harrigan@ptr-93-89-242-235.ip.airwire.ie] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:16 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.164.219.126] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:26 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:33 -!- Dizzle [~Dizzle@unaffiliated/dizzle] has quit [Quit: Leaving...] 02:38 -!- harrigan [~harrigan@ptr-93-89-242-235.ip.airwire.ie] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:53 -!- alxgnon1 [~alxgnon@84.39.116.180] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:56 -!- jonatack [~jon@192.113.14.109.rev.sfr.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:57 -!- harrigan [~harrigan@ptr-93-89-242-235.ip.airwire.ie] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:06 -!- meshcollider [meshcollid@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-xzvrglkvhfqpvcsv] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:12 -!- meshcollider [meshcollid@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-yvsarhdonpbbrarj] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:26 < elichai2> A thought, the average block rate currently is 9 minutes and 28.25 seconds (`(timestamp(block 634,687)-timestamp(block 1)) / 634,687`), if we were to use "longest chain" instead of "heaviest chain" will it even be possible to create a chain that long without spending as much PoW and also *without going into the future* (ie the block rate average will have to be the same) 03:27 < elichai2> Comments are welcome :) 03:49 < tromp> it's trivial to make a longest chain starting from genesis keeping diff at minimum 03:58 -!- someone235 [uid419897@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-nkfcjsgglzgmbilu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:06 -!- fkinglag [~fkinglag@unaffiliated/fkinglag] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:19 -!- fkinglag [~fkinglag@unaffiliated/fkinglag] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:29 < elichai2> tromp: you can't keep diff at minimum if you need to have the block rate at ~9:30 minutes 04:30 < tromp> you can do as you please by exploiting the difficulty adjustment off-by-1 bug 04:30 < tromp> but even without that, you could keep the diff within a small factor of minimum 04:32 < elichai2> tromp: how? I'm not sure myself if it will work or not (didn't do the calculations), but if you need faster than 10mins block (which you do need to compete with the current chain) your difficulty will keep going up 04:37 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Quit: ZNC - http://znc.sourceforge.net] 04:38 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:41 < tromp> actually, you need the bug for getting avg below 10 min. but you don't need bug for avg above 10 min... 04:59 -!- jonatack [~jon@192.113.14.109.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:00 -!- alxgnon1 [~alxgnon@84.39.116.180] has quit [] 05:22 -!- zalun1 [~zalun@185.204.1.185] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:47 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~Chris_Ste@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:58 -!- Relis [~Relis@cpc96290-lewi18-2-0-cust910.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:00 -!- Relis [~Relis@cpc96290-lewi18-2-0-cust910.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has quit [Client Quit] 06:11 < instagibbs> wondering if you can leverage the max difficulty adjustment for this thought experiment (also, has bitcoin ever his max adjustment?) 06:20 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:adca:e7c2:cb42:1ae8] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:31 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:adca:e7c2:cb42:1ae8] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:33 -!- shush [~pawn@cpe-76-176-12-33.san.res.rr.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:38 -!- shush [~pawn@cpe-76-176-12-33.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:43 -!- Relis [~Relis@cpc96290-lewi18-2-0-cust910.2-4.cable.virginm.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:01 -!- slivera [~slivera@103.231.88.22] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:32 < aj> instagibbs: that sounds like maaku's presentation at scaling bitcoin 2018 08:00 -!- zalun1 [~zalun@185.204.1.185] has quit [] 08:16 -!- TheoStorm [~TheoStorm@host-p8vu8h.cbn1.zeelandnet.nl] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:18 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