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04:20 < belcher> im pretty sure mtgox was hacked several times, and that transaction malleability incident was just one 04:20 -!- Relis [~Relis@148.252.129.194] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:21 < waxwing> well for sure on the former; on the latter, one thign is certain: that karpeles claimed at some point that malleability was involved, but i'm just wondering if it is more a case of he *claimed* that or if there's solid reasons to believe it. 04:22 < waxwing> after all, he had very good reasons to claim it even if it wasn't the case. 04:29 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:9def:88a8:23f9:6f0b] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:33 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:9def:88a8:23f9:6f0b] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:43 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:43 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:44 -!- zmnscpxj_ [~zmnscpxj@gateway/tor-sasl/zmnscpxj] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:56 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:56 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:00 -!- hali [~hali@94.229.74.91] has quit [] 05:08 -!- troygiorshev [~troygiors@CPEdcef09a0ed55-CM0c473d74be00.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:09 -!- troygiorshev [~troygiors@CPEdcef09a0ed55-CM0c473d74be00.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:22 -!- sora_h [~sora_h@178.162.204.238] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:36 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Quit: = ""] 06:05 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:05 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:07 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:07 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11.16clouds.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:08 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11.16clouds.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:08 -!- Jackielove4u [uid43977@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-tsrtqsybwagbjglr] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:08 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:09 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:09 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:10 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:10 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:11 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:11 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:12 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:12 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:13 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:13 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:14 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:14 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11.16clouds.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:16 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@208.59.170.5] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:17 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11.16clouds.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:17 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11.16clouds.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:30 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:9def:88a8:23f9:6f0b] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:34 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:9def:88a8:23f9:6f0b] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:46 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@xdsl-188-154-184-23.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:52 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11.16clouds.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:52 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11.16clouds.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:53 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11.16clouds.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:53 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11.16clouds.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:56 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@208.59.170.5] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:56 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@208.59.170.5] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:56 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@xdsl-188-154-184-23.adslplus.ch] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:05 -!- roconnor [~roconnor@host-45-58-208-39.dyn.295.ca] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:06 < roconnor> The bigger issue with that statement in the introduction is that ECDSA (and EdDSA AFAIU) both still have 1st party signature malleability, which is what would have been used in the Mt. Gox incident if indeed the hack was malleability related, amoung the many many ways that that txids can be malleated. 07:23 < real_or_random> you should read https://arxiv.org/abs/1403.6676 by cdecker 07:25 < real_or_random> in particular section 6 07:29 -!- murrayn [~murray@unaffiliated/murrayn] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:29 -!- murray_ [~murray@static.56.37.130.94.clients.your-server.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:30 -!- victorSN7 [~victorSN@unaffiliated/victorsn] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:30 -!- victorSN [~victorSN@unaffiliated/victorsn] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:30 -!- victorSN7 is now known as victorSN 07:39 -!- slivera [~slivera@103.231.88.10] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:00 -!- sora_h [~sora_h@178.162.204.238] has quit [] 08:04 -!- shush [~pawn@2605:e000:1c02:c564:9def:88a8:23f9:6f0b] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:16 -!- rawtaz1 [~rawtaz@185.244.214.217] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:35 -!- proofofkeags [~proofofke@174-29-8-246.hlrn.qwest.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:43 -!- Livestradamus [~quassel@unaffiliated/livestradamus] has quit [Quit: I'm out.] 08:44 -!- Livestradamus [~quassel@unaffiliated/livestradamus] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:48 -!- dr-orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@xdsl-188-154-184-23.adslplus.ch] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:48 -!- dr_orlovsky [~dr-orlovs@xdsl-188-154-184-23.adslplus.ch] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:58 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11.16clouds.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:58 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:05 -!- t-bast [~t-bast@2a01:e34:efde:97d0:c487:1a43:e9c7:5066] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:08 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:14 -!- arowser [~arowser1@67.230.166.11] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:40 -!- troygiorshev [~troygiors@CPEdcef09a0ed55-CM0c473d74be00.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:40 -!- troygiorshev [~troygiors@CPEdcef09a0ed55-CM0c473d74be00.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:47 -!- justan0theruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 09:47 -!- corollari_ [sid405633@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-dpccvivkslsxrlqe] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:48 -!- mmitech__ [sid446259@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-uacbazwzaxgcdmnb] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:48 -!- ryanofsky_ [russ@jumpy.yanofsky.org] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:48 -!- runeks__ [sid21167@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-wrtzqsopptipbbhf] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:48 -!- yokwe_ [sid51352@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-xoohpcviagwjcuqu] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:48 -!- junderw_ [sid43070@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-gssbimomryxdzcqa] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:49 -!- __iriez [wario@distribution.xbins.org] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:50 -!- asok_ [foo@188.166.16.19] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:55 -!- meshcoll- [meshcollid@gateway/shell/ircnow/x-mckvnhdqwkgowycq] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:55 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: junderw, h4sh3d[m], yokwe, meshcollider, mmitech_, gribble, runeks, corollari, NicolasDorier, dEBRUYNE, (+1 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 09:56 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: asok, _iriez 09:56 -!- yokwe_ is now known as yokwe 09:56 -!- junderw_ is now known as junderw 09:56 -!- runeks__ is now known as runeks 09:56 -!- charuto [charutocaf@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-jnjwpzgyzytfqgcr] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:56 -!- Jeremy_Rand_DT[4 [jeremyra1@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-nxghfullrhwqxshb] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 09:56 -!- TheFuzzStone[m] [thefuzzsto@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-gcyknawatdezynha] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 09:56 -!- zkao [zkaomatrix@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-grjrsdqicmngcamg] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:57 < instagibbs> "merely 300k BTC" heh 09:58 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@unaffiliated/belkaar] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:58 -!- Netsplit over, joins: NicolasDorier, dEBRUYNE 09:59 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@xdsl-87-78-202-23.nc.de] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:59 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@xdsl-87-78-202-23.nc.de] has quit [Changing host] 09:59 -!- Belkaar [~Belkaar@unaffiliated/belkaar] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:01 < instagibbs> roconnor, withdawals were supposedly the one malleated, tricking their withdrawal system to send more BTC than they were supposed to 10:02 < instagibbs> first party malleability I don't think is super connected 10:02 -!- charuto [charutocaf@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-alxaucxwkbemqcjy] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:03 < roconnor> oh right. 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