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05:33 < h4sh3d[m]> hi everyone - I wrote a small paper on bitcoin-monero atomic swaps, based on the idea of using cross group discrete logarithm equality proof. If someone is interested you can find it here https://eprint.iacr.org/2020/1126
05:34 < sarang> h4sh3d[m]: on a video presentation a while back, you (or one of your collaborators?) showed some kind of interactive demonstration of the possible paths that the swap process could take
05:34 < sarang> Is this available anywhere?
05:34 < sarang> I hadn't seen that kind of tool used before, and really liked it
05:34 < sarang> Sorry to be so vague, but I don't recall if the name of the tool was mentioned at that time
05:35 < h4sh3d[m]> zkao presented it yes - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-SsE1abFgNM&feature=youtu.be
05:36 < h4sh3d[m]> we didn't made the file available IIRC, but I'll ask if you want
05:36 < remaeus> yes please share
05:38 < remaeus> does your work address any of the known issues with atomic swaps, such as the free option problem?
05:39 < sarang> h4sh3d[m]: what's the name of the tool that was used to construct the demonstration?
05:39 < sarang> Also, yes it was zkao :)
05:39 < sarang> I had forgotten who had done the demo; sorry for the confusion!
05:39 < h4sh3d[m]> the GreatSPN Graphical Editor
05:40 < sarang> Thanks!
05:40 < h4sh3d[m]> we represented the protocol as a petri net
05:42 < h4sh3d[m]> Remæus: if you're talking about the potential slippage then no, the problem still remains
05:44 < remaeus> specifically the option for the counterparty to abort the trade if price moves against them, but I think you answered my question thanks
05:47 < zkao> there is a way to get rid of the free option problem by preagreeing on all potential prices using discreet log contracts, and the only missing signature is the oracle's
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06:13 < h4sh3d[m]> sarang: if you manage to run the GreatSPN editor here is the content of a PNPRO file that describe the swap - https://pastebin.com/yhjEV5xg
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07:19 < yanmaani> remaeus: That's not solvable within the atomic swap protocol, is it?
07:19 < yanmaani> unless some genius comes up with some completely radical idea
07:21 < remaeus> zkao says it can be solved by committing to prices using DLC, but that just moves us onward to the oracle problem
07:27 < yanmaani> yes that's just idiotic. The correct thing to do is to make them with very low times
07:27 < yanmaani> in say 30m the price can't move that much
07:28 < remaeus> ^ famous last words in bitcoin land
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07:30 < yanmaani> If it does, then either one side will be filled at the old price or the deal will be cancelled
07:30 < yanmaani> depending on in whose favor it is
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10:21 < zkao> yanmaani: short timelock makes it more likely a double spending race btw 'refund tx' and 'complete swap tx' to arise
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20:50 < roasbeef> adam3us: CSFS is super useful in isolation, but imo the usage for covenatns really blows up the witness script w/ all the parsing operations and is really using a pearing knife to carve a tree, so why not something like jl2012's old proposal: https://github.com/jl2012/bips/blob/vault/bip-0ZZZ.mediawiki
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20:51 < roasbeef> so you get data pushed on teh stack from teh transaction context, then can make decisions off of that
20:52 < roasbeef> sanket1729: don't recall there being any major ones, may have been a lot opportunity to package as part of the schnorr stuff given it's such a small patch, I had a drafty bip but never finished it as got distracted by other stuff
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20:59 < roasbeef> for eaxmple w/ CSFS, you can do eltoo like update replacement w/o over loading the locktime so it can be used for other stuff during state transitions
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