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08:03 < andytoshi> yeah, bip32 is super frustrating in a lot of ways
08:03 < andytoshi> and like, fixing these problems always seems to come down to "you need zkps" or "you need pairings", it's not like it could've been better if we'd had a smarter design
08:04 < andytoshi> i think sipa has indicated that he regrets including non-hard derivation ... but like, it's really useful even if it's footgunny
08:09 < pinheadmz> andytoshi yeah xpubs are super useful especially for a watch-only wallet running on a server with actual private keys somewhere else. And who gives out private keys anyway?
08:12 < andytoshi> yeah for signing keys i'm not sure there's any reason to share them ever
08:12 < andytoshi> liquid has a problem with blinding keys, which sometimes you do need to share
08:13 < andytoshi> it's otherwise very difficult to reveal an open-ended set of UTXOs values, and it's hard to do a multisig rangeproof without sharing blinding keys
08:14 < pinheadmz> and actually i rememebr back with protoshares launch or something, presale investors were reselling their still-not-yet-launcehd coins by actually selling their private keys on a secondary market
08:15 < pinheadmz> I'd like to learn more about how ZK proofs could be used to answer this quesiton (prove that two public keys are related without revealing parent key or chaincode)
08:16 < andytoshi> it's pretty boring, you literally do the BIP32 derivations (hmac and all) inside a zkp
08:17 < andytoshi> if you have a usecase for this you might wanna contact starkware, they have been trying to get into bitcoin for years and i keep suggesting they do off-chain utility stuff like this (or that they try to stark up blocks) and they don't seem to think it's cool enough to be worth the effort
08:18 < pinheadmz> I'm just trying to learn. Heh, doing things inside a zkp isn't boring for me, I'm an intro-level crypto student
08:24 < andytoshi> you might find something in the "starkware sessions" series about this sort of thing ... it's pretty eth focused so it's full of stuff about plasmas and dexes and whatever
08:25 < andytoshi> but the underlying tech is what you want
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08:29 < pinheadmz> thanks!
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