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08:30 < enemy> I going to setup today a pre-segwit client
08:30 < enemy> I don't want my node to serve Blockstream Inc (which holds Segwit patents) 
08:31 < enemy> Blockstream don't pays me a cent for running a segwit node but they making millions
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10:24 < andytoshi> enemy: blockstream does not have any patents on segwit, or on anything that is deployed in bitcoin
10:24 < andytoshi> and even if we did, how could we possibly make money on you running node software?
10:36 < enemy> you work for blockstream? 
10:37 < enemy> https://falkvinge.net/2017/05/01/blockstream-patents-segwit-makes-pieces-fall-place/
10:40 < enemy> don't misunderstand me, I have nothing to do personally with blockstream but what I read about this corporation makes me sick, how the corporation making profit without interfering with Bitcoin's development example hire core devs to merge stuff which totally unnecessary for the masses? 
10:41 < enemy> bitcoin supposed to be a tool to take down for profit corporations, not a tool for corporations, the opposite
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10:46 < enemy> https://www.blockstream.com/about/patent_faq/
10:48 < enemy> why need patents when you can license all software under GPLv3? GPLv3 has a patent clause which effective against patent-trolls? Blockstream instead of registering "defensive" patents, should release all source code under GPLv3
10:50 < enemy> can someone tell me where I can find the signing key for Bitcoin 0.8.1 ? bitcoin.org don't have it
10:51 < enemy> bitcoin.org/bin/ only has 0.9.5 but I need 0.8.1 signing keys
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11:09 < pin> enemy: you shouldn't listen to Falkvinges fairy tales. funny you're talking to us on libera, since falkvinge and his employer PIA ruined freenode so everyone had to leave.
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11:59 < enemy> lol
11:59 < enemy> this again has to do something with Andrew Lee
11:59 < enemy> PIA now owned by some Israeli scammers who making malware far as I know
12:04 < andytoshi> 17:40 < enemy> don't misunderstand me, I have nothing to do personally with blockstream but what I read about this corporation makes me sick
12:04 < andytoshi> then you should stop reading conspiracy theorists
12:04 < andytoshi> as for "why need patents", because it is necessary to defend against patent trolls, and necessary to get technology into the patent examiners' databases
12:05 < andytoshi> GPLv3 does not accomplish either of those things
12:05 < andytoshi> having said this, blockstream does not make any money from "interfering with bitcoin development" and if there were a plausible business model around "interfering with bitcoin development" nothing would ever get done. use some common sense.
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12:31 < enemy> all mention of blockstream is banned from now on on the Bitcoin Forum https://bitcoin.forum and all employees of Blockstream is forbidden to create an account in the future on the Bitcoin Forum
12:32 < andytoshi> seems unlikely for that site to be relevant to #bitcoin-wizards then
12:33 < enemy> says who andytoshi a blockstream employee?
12:35 < andytoshi> i've been on this channel since a few months after it started, and am familiar with most of the topics discussed here and who is responsible for them, and who is a "blockstream employee" in the minds of falkvinge types
12:35 < andytoshi> and there is a significant overlap
12:37 < enemy> in my own opinion, all blockstream associated developers should be forbidden to contribute to Bitcoin Core, favoring a for profit instead of expert developers from China is absurd. Instead of sucking up for one company the development process should be inclusive
12:42 < andytoshi> that's nice, but it's offtopic here
12:42 < enemy> this is what I'm talking about
12:43 < enemy> blockstream employees decide what and how we can discuss Bitcoin development
12:43 < enemy> this is a serious threat to Bitcoin
12:47 < andytoshi> you've been responsible for all the discussion here for the last 3-4 days and haven't mentioned anything related to bitcoin development
12:47 < andytoshi> you posted some conspiracy theories which plausibly came from honest confusion, received replies debunking them which you ignored, and are now accusing me of censorship
12:47 < andytoshi> please stop
12:49 < enemy> isn't segwit and "lightning" was proposed by blockstream? 
12:49 < enemy> lightning crap is not even Bitcoin
12:49 < enemy> Bitcoin is a chain of digital signatures, not some offline crap
12:50 < enemy> blockstream activelly profiting from all the shit merged to Bitcoin Core since 2017
12:50 < andytoshi> see this is what i mean
12:51 < enemy> I just don't understand, why need to force miners to update they software with the crap blockstream proposed
12:51 < andytoshi> wtf why am i not an op on this channel anymore
12:51 < enemy> isn't blockstream able to fork Bitcoin and distribute they own clients?
12:51 < enemy> why need this crap in Bitcoin Core?
12:52 < enemy> because you suck, you wanna censor me when I ask legitimate questions about Bitcoin Core
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12:54 < enemy> Bitcoin Core is a free software and anyone can fork it and distribute they own version, but when I see that the protocol multiple times changing (or extended) because of Blockstream Inc, I have all right to post these questions
12:55 < enemy> I don't think either segwit ot taproot has a place in bitcoin core, those who proposed them should fork Bitcoin Core and we should keep clean Bitcoin Core from all these unnecessary things like (off chain transactions)
12:58 < enemy> as I said lightning is technically NOT BITCOIN and all developers can agree on that, so I don't see why we need this, also Maxwell when proposed taproot he was still working for Blockstream 
12:58 < enemy> yesterday Bitcoin 22.0 released to which I will not upgrade
12:59 < andytoshi> for the record, gmax had left blockstream before taproot was invented
13:00 < enemy> I also fail to understand why needed to drop 0 from 0.22.0? I find it absurd, satoshi in purpose used version format 0.1.1 etc... 
13:01 < enemy> achow101 still works for blockstream don't he? 
13:01 < enemy> maxwell technically left blockstream but he clearly working for them unofficially
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13:35 < nickler> ariard: sorry, what I meant to say was how you can prevent committing to the parity being invalid now and becoming valid under new rules unless you resort to hacks like encoding it in the amount as aj suggested.
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