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07:43 < jeremyrubin> Hmm yeah I mean if you have cat you can force nonce reuse which will do it. 
07:45 < jeremyrubin> You just do two sigs with different values and same R over the tx
08:06 < nsh> elements has had a output-size limited OP_CAT enabled for some time, i'm informed
08:18 < andytoshi> jeremyrubin: oh, yeah, that'd do it -- and would be more efficient than my thing
08:18 < andytoshi> though if you need the discrete log on the stack for some reason you've gotta do my shenanigans
08:18 < andytoshi> nsh: yes, we've had OP_CAT since elements was first written, but with the 520-byte stack size limit it's not super useful
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08:20 < nsh> oh the limit is from the stack itself not the output of the operation specifically?
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08:21 < nsh> i wonder how much complexity cost of allowing some flexibility there based on the overall tx weight and some fee mechanics would be
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09:24 < jeremyrubin> but I can't really think of an exsiting bitcoin script way to do this with just available ops
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15:19 < andytoshi> nsh: it wouldn't be bad, but you really don't need huge stack elements under any circumstances i can think of
15:19 < andytoshi> except i guess, having CAT without better hash opcodes
15:20 < nsh> there's a certain stack inflation vs. language complexity tradeoff that's inherent and obviously you want to remain strictly below a certain complexity threshold for security reasons
15:20  * nsh says, waving hands
15:21 < nsh> but i guess it's at the level where it's still feasible to reason formally and completely about the implications of adding or enabling new operators
15:23 < nsh> (where security includes minimising the potential and facility of foot-shooting as is wonderfully counterexemplified in world-computer-land)
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