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08:22 < darosior> bitcoin-inquisition looks like a good idea. Thanks _aj_ for putting this together
08:26 < instagibbs> https://github.com/bitcoin-inquisition/bitcoin/wiki <--link
08:27 < instagibbs> will be interesting for mempool policy/relay experimentation as well, I hope
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09:28 < _aj_> darosior: \o/
09:28 < _aj_> https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2022-September/020921.html also link
09:47 < BlueMatt[m]> I really wish the problem were lack of some kind of "testing infrastructure" for forks.
09:47 < BlueMatt[m]> but that's solving a problem that doesnt exist, IMO.
09:47 < BlueMatt[m]> or, at least solving a problem that isnt a problem (yet).
10:28 < instagibbs> from email: "see if anyone comes up with any major issues" I guess there's disagreement about what kind of issues can arise, and how they should be investigated?
10:28 < BlueMatt[m]> is there?
10:28 < instagibbs> if there isn't why did you disagree on the email
10:29 < BlueMatt[m]> the key point is really step (3)
10:29 < BlueMatt[m]> step (2) is just a good way to get started.
10:29 < instagibbs> 1-3 O'
10:29 < BlueMatt[m]> ?
10:29 < instagibbs> I suppose the disagreement is in 4
10:30 < BlueMatt[m]> there may well be a disagreement in (4), but meanwhile no one is even trying to do (1)-(3)
10:30 < BlueMatt[m]> so I dont know how we can say with a straight face that there will be an issue come (4)
10:30 < BlueMatt[m]> and I'd hazard a guess there wont.
10:31 < instagibbs> Ok so this is an ordering quibble?
10:31 < BlueMatt[m]> no, I dont think so
10:31 < BlueMatt[m]> its a "stop putting the cart before the horse" quibble.
10:32 < BlueMatt[m]> if you spend all your time optimizing the cart before you've even selected a horse, you're just wasting time.
10:32 < instagibbs> ok, that's an ordering, qualm, maybe not quibble
10:33 < instagibbs> imo (1) and (2) are done every single day, not very interesting
10:33 < instagibbs> (3) is a big one, yes
10:34 < BlueMatt[m]> maybe, I think (2) requires at least 10 1-hour conversations with at least 10 different people.
10:34 < instagibbs> perhaps split that out, since proposing + champion are clearly different
10:34 < BlueMatt[m]> and (3) probably requires the same but with 30 people
10:34 < BlueMatt[m]> yea, fair, there are tons of proposals that people throw out
10:35 < BlueMatt[m]> but really following through and actually incorporating feedback to build consensus around, yea, maybe that's "championing" rather than "proposing"
10:35 < BlueMatt[m]> I havent slept seriously since yesterday, dont expect exact terminology :)
10:35 < instagibbs> we've had at least two forks with seperate authors and champions 
10:36 < BlueMatt[m]> yes, and if a fork BIP only has one author on it you probably haven't spent enough time at step (2) :)
10:36 < BlueMatt[m]> /me goes back to bashing his head against perf
10:36 < instagibbs> good stuff
10:37 < instagibbs> I think inquisitor-style efforts fall into former half of (3), honestly convincing themselves that things are what are required. no one is required to be convinced the same way(that's silly)
10:37 < BlueMatt[m]> yea, I mean you should do some work to convince yourself that things are safe, and to convince others that things are safe, and maybe inquisitor helps with that, but I dont think that is the problem we face
10:38 < instagibbs> not the primary one anyways
10:38 < BlueMatt[m]> sure
10:39 < BlueMatt[m]> improvements there are good
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