--- Log opened Mon Nov 28 00:00:29 2022 00:02 -!- tromp [~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:03 -!- jonatack3 [~jonatack@user/jonatack] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:03 -!- jonatack2 [~jonatack@user/jonatack] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:10 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:24 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:29 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:02 -!- jonatack3 [~jonatack@user/jonatack] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:03 -!- kexkey_ [~kexkey@static-198-54-132-136.cust.tzulo.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:04 -!- kexkey [~kexkey@static-198-54-132-136.cust.tzulo.com] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 02:07 -!- jonatack3 [~jonatack@user/jonatack] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 03:17 < gleb0712250> Shouldn't there be some way to avoid storing all preimages (LN channels) within the existing penalty model... For example, if the HTLC are constructed with the following rules: "the secret for the hash at step X allows to unlock all the hashes at previous steps". I guess the hard part is to prove the counterparty that you constructed the hash in 03:17 < gleb0712250> the given way, without revealing the preimages. 03:32 < darosior> gleb0712250: but (assuming by "step" you mean "state") for previous states you have the revocation key anyways? 03:33 < gleb0712250> yeah, but my suggestion would allow forgetting it and sticking just to the latest secret, that's the goal 04:35 -!- tromp [~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 09:05 < BlueMatt[m]> I mean you still have to store all the preimages for payments you forwarded, even if not received ones 09:05 < BlueMatt[m]> So I’m not sure it’s a huge optimization 09:17 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 09:20 -!- ghost43_ [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:23 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:26 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:46 -!- yanmaani1 [~yanmaani@gateway/tor-sasl/yanmaani] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:47 -!- yanmaani1 [~yanmaani@gateway/tor-sasl/yanmaani] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:02 -!- tromp [~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:29 -!- fl4z8 [~ypsalu@user/amnesia] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:38 -!- fl4z8 [~ypsalu@user/amnesia] has left #bitcoin-wizards [] 10:42 -!- Amnesia [~Amnesia@user/amnesia] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 10:42 -!- tromp [~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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