--- Log opened Tue Mar 14 00:00:10 2023 00:14 -!- tromp [~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:33 -!- tromp [~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 00:40 -!- tromp [~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:25 -!- salvatoshi [~salvatosh@genymobile-2-6-86.fib.nerim.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:37 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:45 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver@77-174-98-73.fixed.kpn.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 01:57 -!- tristan_ [~tristan_@122.50.206.126] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 02:45 -!- tromp [~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 05:18 < taek42> wrt lightning anonymity, is there something that stops me from monitoring the real time balances of every channel and following a payment as it routes around the network based on how those balances change? 05:20 * nsh looks at https://en.cryptonomist.ch/2021/11/06/lightning-network-privacy-really-that-private/ 05:21 < nsh> capacity is public, balance between endpoints not necessarily 05:27 < taek42> got it 05:28 < taek42> can I figure out the balances within a channel by trying to route payments through it, adjusting the size of my payments to see what clears and what doesn't? 05:29 -!- bitdex_ [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has quit [Quit: = ""] 05:31 < nsh> up to a point, but the routes are also anonymised (~tor style onion routing) so you'd have to have an active network-wide view of all potential routes and probe frequency sufficient to determine a route taken 05:31 < nsh> which is probably impractical 05:31 < nsh> (but don't necessarily quote me on that :) 05:31 < nsh> and usual partition etc. attacks apply 05:40 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver@77-174-98-73.fixed.kpn.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:41 -!- Guyver2 [Guyver@77-174-98-73.fixed.kpn.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:00 -!- tromp [~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:31 -!- Pasha is now known as Cory 06:31 -!- Cory [~Cory@068-187-125-109.res.spectrum.com] has quit [Changing host] 06:31 -!- Cory [~Cory@user/pasha] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:02 -!- nanotube [~nanotube@user/nanotube] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:17 -!- Guyver2_ [Guyver@77-174-98-73.fixed.kpn.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 07:21 -!- Guyver2 [Guyver@77-174-98-73.fixed.kpn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:21 -!- Guyver2_ is now known as Guyver2 08:53 -!- 011AAAE6I [~jamesob@141.156.173.67] has quit [Quit: The Lounge - https://thelounge.chat] 08:53 -!- thelounge81 [~jamesob@141.156.173.67] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:54 -!- thelounge81 [~jamesob@141.156.173.67] has quit [Client Quit] 08:55 -!- jamesob9 [~jamesob@141.156.173.67] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:57 -!- jamesob9 [~jamesob@141.156.173.67] has quit [Client Quit] 08:57 -!- jamesob9 [~jamesob@141.156.173.67] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:04 -!- Guyver2_ [~Guyver@2a02-a45c-ba8d-1-14d8-bb8-8993-2f6f.fixed6.kpn.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:05 -!- Guyver2__ [~Guyver@2a02-a45c-ba8d-1-14d8-bb8-8993-2f6f.fixed6.kpn.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:06 -!- Guyver2 [Guyver@77-174-98-73.fixed.kpn.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 09:06 -!- Guyver2__ is now known as Guyver2 09:08 -!- b10c_ is now known as b10c 09:08 -!- b10c [~quassel@static.33.106.217.95.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Quit: https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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