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ZZZzzz…] 04:50 -!- brunoerg [~brunoerg@2804:14c:3bfb:8a:5527:cb66:fbd6:64b] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:51 -!- brunoerg [~brunoerg@187.183.43.117] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:52 -!- tromp [~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:56 -!- brunoerg [~brunoerg@187.183.43.117] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:02 -!- whysix [~whysix@146.70.126.170] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:02 < whysix> Good day people. 05:02 < whysix> Im trying to understand a few things maybe folks in here can help 05:09 < whysix> Im trying to understand the difference in Schnorr vs traditional ECDSA used with the non taproot sig schemes. I keep seeeing that schnorr sigs used in taproot are ECDSA as a base (As in point to a point on a curve to begin from) but traditional schnorr sigs used ElGamal signatures which begin with a hash function. Im trying to work out what parts of this are soft fork swappable and hard fork swappable in regards to solving the discreet log 05:09 < whysix> problem with more ridiculous quant tech approaching. I mean, now we have schnorr, how hard is to add or swap a secondary signature scheme in bitcoin if required that is not vulnerable? 05:09 < whysix> Any clues appreceiated, or being told im far off the mark. 05:19 -!- brunoerg [~brunoerg@2804:14c:3bfb:8a:5527:cb66:fbd6:64b] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:27 -!- brunoerg [~brunoerg@2804:14c:3bfb:8a:5527:cb66:fbd6:64b] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:31 -!- jonatack [~jonatack@user/jonatack] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:31 -!- jon_atack [~jonatack@user/jonatack] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:37 -!- brunoerg [~brunoerg@2804:14c:3bfb:8a:5527:cb66:fbd6:64b] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:41 -!- brunoerg [~brunoerg@2804:14c:3bfb:8a:5527:cb66:fbd6:64b] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:42 -!- tromp [~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 14:37 -!- stoner19 [~stoner19@user/stoner19] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:40 -!- tristan_ [~tristan_@122.50.206.86] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:46 -!- stoner19 [~stoner19@user/stoner19] has quit [Quit: stoner19] 14:53 -!- instantp10neer_ [~instantp1@user/instantp10neer] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:55 -!- instantp10neer [~instantp1@user/instantp10neer] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:57 -!- stoner19 [~stoner19@user/stoner19] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:01 < andytoshi> whysix: i think you are far off the mark. taproot signatures are schnorr signatures, not ECDSA signatures, neither of these have anything to with el gamal, and none of these have anything to do with soft or hard forks, and forks have nothing to do with solving discrete log 15:03 -!- salvatoshi [~salvatosh@lfbn-idf3-1-1331-187.w92-170.abo.wanadoo.fr] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:06 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver@77-174-98-73.fixed.kpn.net] has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 15:11 -!- stoner19 [~stoner19@user/stoner19] has quit [Quit: stoner19] 15:16 -!- stoner19 [~stoner19@user/stoner19] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:44 < whysix> i was under the impression the implementation used in Bitcoin was https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EdDSA rather than the original schnorr signature scheme 15:46 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:49 -!- stoner19 [~stoner19@user/stoner19] has quit [Quit: stoner19] 16:00 -!- stoner19 [~stoner19@user/stoner19] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:17 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:35 -!- brunoerg [~brunoerg@2804:14c:3bfb:8a:5527:cb66:fbd6:64b] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:50 -!- duderonomy [~duderonom@c-107-3-165-79.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. 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