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04:21 < pinheadmz> What does "lifting" mean in the context of EC? I see the function takes an x and returns a point with the even y. I'm just wondering if that is a high level cryptography term or a convention used in bitcoin
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05:46 < andytoshi> pinheadmz: it means taking an x coordinate and inferring a full point from it
05:47 < andytoshi> it's a fairly common math term, though this particular usage is a little sloppy i think because there isn't any structure preserved in the transformation
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05:50 < instagibbs> stevenroose I assume you're referencing with respect to covenants schemes, which I agree, bitcoin script isn't good for ;P
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06:53 < real_or_random> pinheadmz andytoshi : I think I suggested this in BIP340. We stole it from sage: https://doc.sagemath.org/html/en/reference/arithmetic_curves/sage/schemes/elliptic_curves/ell_generic.html#sage.schemes.elliptic_curves.ell_generic.EllipticCurve_generic.lift_x 
06:57 < real_or_random> and indeed, I don't think the term is common in ECC, and it's sloppy
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07:50 < Ancient> So, is this a the best channel to ask questions about the ecosystem rather than the protocol or core client? Or is there somewhere else.
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07:53 < Ademan> Ancient: I think it's really for "hard questions" but it's slow enough I usually just ask my dumb questions anyway, and pre-emptively ask for forgiveness if they're off-topic. Nobody has told me to get lost *yet* but I do kinda feel like I'm stinkin up the place lol (but I'd say just ask)
07:55 < Ancient> Well, if anyone's question is going to upset people. I expect it's my next one :P
07:58 < andytoshi> i think it's fine to ask whatever here. people will redirect you if it's not appropriate. and i think the only thing that's actually _annoying_ is pricetalk stuff
07:59 < Ancient> I work at an ecommerce platform, that has customers who want to pay in bitcoin.
07:59 < Ancient> Our traditional banking partners have made it clear if we accept BTC ourselves/directly, they will no longer work with us.
08:00 < Ancient> Bitcoin is going to be niche for us, so I've been looking into BTC Gateways that accept BTC and immediately convert to hold/settle fiat to us.
08:00 < Ancient> That's acceptable to banking partners, but I'm having trouble finding a suitable gateway that doesn't demand a passport from our customers every time they make a $15 payment to us.
08:00 < Ancient> No objection to any business specific KYC, just looking for recommendations.
08:02 < Ancient> BitPay required passports from every customer attempting to make a payment, which I think defeats the point for many customers.
08:02 < Ancient> Coinbase said they're only interested in working with merchants with >25M USD in revenue.
08:03 < Ancient> Every other gateway seems to be hopelessly broken so far. Internal server errors during sign up, KYC, etc.
08:03 < Ancient> Was kind of hoping someone here would have a suggestion
08:04 < andytoshi> yeah, this probably is off-topic, though i'm not sure where the best place would be. probably #bitcoin. for my part i have no suggestion. bitpay is the standard answer for people who want to do this.
08:04 < andytoshi> bitcoin.org was using something called "moonpay" which seemed pretty sketchy, but no more than bitpay
08:07 < Ancient> Yeah, BitPay seemed to work pretty well prior to 2021, I had used it previously. But it felt like they kept making user-hostile choices after that.
08:08 < Ancient> Requiring the payment protocol that many people felt wasn't appropriate, then passport upload for payment. :-/
08:09 < Ancient> It's starting to feel like a surprisingly hard problem to keep accepting this. But I don't want to tell people they have to abandon their preferred payment method either.
08:09 < Ancient> Moonpay says they won't work for merchants in my country. Appreciate the suggestion though.
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08:20 < darosior> Ancient: i can give you a couple other pointers, but let's move this convo to #bitcoin it's OT for this channel.
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12:43 < stevenroose> instagibbs: nah, trying to validate a btc tx in Liquid using CSFS. To prove that a double spend happened on BTC
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22:18 < Ademan> Hrm I was just thinking about the "verify the change outputs in a multisig" as a reason for the GLOBAL_XPUB PSBT keys, but I was just thinking about why I hadn't considered that before and I realized that of course your cosigner isn't going to provide their partial signature if the outputs they care about aren't going where they want...
22:19 < Ademan> I suppose it's better to verify but your cosigners can't count on it anyway
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