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07:01 < Chris_Stewart_5> Has there been proposals to extend Script's number representations to accomodate large than 32 bit math (so we can do math on sat values) as talked about in _aj_ 's post to bitcoin-dev? https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/2021-September/019420.html
07:02 < darosior> Chris_Stewart_5: not aware of a proposal but Elements has implemented 64bit artihmetic in their Taproot soft fork
07:03 < Chris_Stewart_5> ooh thanks for the info! if we were to allow Script access to output values (as proposed in OP_TLUV, which is really cool!) it seems we would need to accomodate larger number representations in Script 
07:05 < Chris_Stewart_5> while OP_TLUV (and maybe even access to output values via OP_IN_OUT_AMOUNT as proposed by aj), it seems like allowing 64bit math could be an uncontroversial soft fork :tm: 
07:05 < instagibbs> would also make OP_VAULT more versatile, or any other covenanty proposal really
07:05 < Chris_Stewart_5> instagibbs: amen. Is there a lBIP (liquid bip) process that has the details of the 64 bit impl in elements? 
07:06 < instagibbs> https://github.com/ElementsProject/elements/blob/master/doc/tapscript_opcodes.md is all i know of
07:06 < Chris_Stewart_5> thank you :-)
07:07 < andytoshi> Chris_Stewart_5: we wrote that .md with the intention of turning it into a BIP proposal one day, but everybody involved (including me) has been too lazy to actually pull the trigger :(
07:08 < andytoshi> i think that, if some 3rd party wanted to do that "last mile" of work, i'd be happy to support them and hand it off
07:08 < andytoshi> if i were to do the work of making a consensus BIP i'd probably start with one that just added CAT tbh. and maybe streaming hash opcodes
07:13 < Chris_Stewart_5> andytoshi: There seems to be a lot of opcodes added in the doc that instagibbs linked (CHECKSIGFROMSTACK, ECMULSCALARVERIFY). I was hoping that a small thing like 64 bit math could be a uncontroversial soft fork (and actually get it activated in 2024 - maybe i'm delusional).
07:14 < Chris_Stewart_5> Also I'd have to think about the compatability story with existing taproot scripts, can increasing the bit size for CScriptNum break existing taproot scripts? 
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07:37 < andytoshi> Chris_Stewart_5: yeah, i'd avoid changing cscriptnum
07:37 < andytoshi> what we did in the doc was add a bunch of new parallel 64-bit ops, and a couple conversion opcodes
07:37 < andytoshi> and you can do this by softforking in the new ops in place of OP_SUCCESSx in the existing tapscript
07:38 < andytoshi> to change cscriptnum i'm pretty sure you would need a whole new tapscript version
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11:55 < _aj_> Chris_Stewart_5: any script that uses a bigger number is already broken; so long as you trigger the new behaviour on the presence of an OP_SUCCESSx opcode, it's a safe soft fork as all OP_SUCCESSx forces the script to always succeed
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