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08:47 < Chris_Stewart_5> Working on 64bit arithmetic proposal, can anyone see the mistake i'm making to not get c++ syntax highlighing to work in this code block? My doc ends up escaping characters like '<' 
08:47 < Chris_Stewart_5> https://github.com/christewart/bips/blob/2023-09-11-64bit-arith/bip-0364.mediawiki#detailed-specification
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10:10 < halseth> Chris_Stewart_5: use <syntaxhighlight>?
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11:26 < josie> I noticed libsecp256k1 doesn't provide a method for combining secp256k1_xonly_pubkeys (whereas there is a method for combining secp256k1_pubkeys). Is there a reason for that? 
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11:28 < andytoshi> josie: the method for combining old pubkeys is an historical wart
11:29 < andytoshi> we actually tried to remove it but it's in use in some places
11:30 < josie> andytoshi: why is that? im actually working on a PR now that uses it *nervous laugh*
11:32 < andytoshi> josie: it's very easy to use it insecurely
11:32 < andytoshi> what are you using it for?
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11:32 < andytoshi> josie: can you use the musig_combine function instead?
11:32 < andytoshi> i forget what exactly it's called (or if it's merged yet)
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11:34 < josie> for silent payments (bip352). tldr; im extracting pubkeys from scriptPubKeys and then summing them to get a single pubkey before doing ECDH
11:35 < andytoshi> ok, it looks like it's not actually even PR'd yet .. it's only in secp-zkp. damn
11:35 < andytoshi> josie: ah! so, silent payments is a secure usecase (i talked to ruben in some detail because i was initially super suspecious :P)
11:36 < andytoshi> but you're correct that our public API gives you no way to do this..
11:36 < andytoshi> what you can do is convert the xonly keys to normal pubkeys before summing them
11:36 < andytoshi> which is a little annoying but probably the best you can do
11:36 < andytoshi> eventually the "right" thing to do, i think, is to add a whole new silent_payments module to the library
11:36 < andytoshi> josie: you may want to join #secp256k1 where the maintainers of the lib hang out and see what they think
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11:37 < josie> yeah, im converting to compressed before summing now, which is kinda ugly. but more generally, it got me thinking: what are the implications of summing p2tr xonly keys if the outputs also commit to a script path? not really relevant to silent payments but was just curious 
11:39 < josie> andytoshi: ah nice, i will join. i definitely agree regarding a silent_payments module, mainly because i think we could get away with non-constant time ecdh when scanning, which could speed things up quite a bit, but is not something you'd want to expose for general use 
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12:35 < andytoshi> josie: if you sum keys blindly, the resulting sum might commit to a script that none of the original keys did
12:35 < andytoshi> this is actually one security issue that you could run into if you were to sum pubkeys then try to use them to get an address
12:35 < andytoshi> where the last person to sum gets to side-load a taproot commitment into the final result
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12:57 < Chris_Stewart_5> halseth: Was referencing `std::numeric_limits<int64_t>::min()` elsewhere in the doc that caused it not to render properly, thanks for the tip though :-) https://github.com/christewart/bips/blob/2023-09-11-64bit-arith/bip-0364.mediawiki 
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