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07:31 < Ademan> how are miners meant to know/understand what they are signing for in a tapscript in a psbt? aj pointed out last week that you can't even know what pubkeys are participating since they could be in the witness. Is that meant to be out of scope? In the simple case of course we can just scan for a specific push pattern in the script. I suppose validation rules for that case might be pretty hairy and 
07:32 < Ademan> application dependent anyway?
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08:46 < instagibbs> if you mean what specific branches they're signing for, the stock answer would be "miniscript", no?
08:46 < instagibbs> miniscript, or ad hoc templating are the two answers pretty much
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08:56 < Ademan> more or less what I meant yeah
08:56 < Ademan> miniscript is totally out of band for psbts isn't it? that's an application detail?
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08:58 < instagibbs> PSBTs don't need to know about miniscript, correct
08:59 < instagibbs> it includes a tapleaf script, miniscript can extract fragments, pubkeys, inject into PSBT, decide what to sign for
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10:03 < Ademan> my point earlier is a script alone isn't actually enough to decide what to sign for in some cases, but I guess that's where the application would use its out of band knowledge?
10:03 < Ademan> (for instance, miniscript)
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