--- Log opened Wed Jan 24 00:00:38 2024 00:10 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 00:58 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver@77-174-98-73.fixed.kpn.net] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:20 -!- jon_atack [~jonatack@user/jonatack] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 04:22 -!- jonatack [~jonatack@user/jonatack] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:24 -!- tusko [~xoxoxo@user/tusko] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:29 -!- tusko [~xoxoxo@user/tusko] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:43 -!- jonatack [~jonatack@user/jonatack] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:44 -!- jon_atack [~jonatack@user/jonatack] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 05:56 -!- ghost43_ [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 05:56 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:02 -!- ghost43_ [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:03 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:38 -!- zato [~zato@user/zato] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:42 -!- zato [~zato@user/zato] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 06:46 -!- jonatack [~jonatack@user/jonatack] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:22 -!- Guyver2 [~Guyver@77-174-98-73.fixed.kpn.net] has left #bitcoin-wizards [Closing Window] 07:34 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:37 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:37 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:05 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 08:09 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:30 -!- tromp [~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:09 -!- jonatack [~jonatack@user/jonatack] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:41 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 09:52 -!- tromp [~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has quit [Quit: My iMac has gone to sleep. 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ZZZzzz…] 14:32 -!- jonatack [~jonatack@user/jonatack] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 14:41 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:01 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@188.170.74.95] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:01 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@188.170.87.37] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:13 -!- Ademan [~ademan@47.185.95.178] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:14 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:51 -!- brunoerg [~brunoerg@2804:1b3:a000:9f37:39e0:85aa:1f40:ef97] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 15:52 -!- brunoerg [~brunoerg@2804:1b3:a000:9f37:39e0:85aa:1f40:ef97] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02 -!- jonatack [~jonatack@user/jonatack] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:06 -!- jonatack [~jonatack@user/jonatack] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 16:26 < Ademan> A half-baked alternative proof-of-reserves scheme has been kicking around my head for a bit. You'd have a tap leaf that is something like OP_RETURN and then the proving party would reveal this leaf and could provide signatures for without risking the real spending keys. The tap leaf would need to be such that multiple parties could not secretly have their own leaves claiming 16:26 < Ademan> ownership (the first party to be challenged about ownership would reveal their leaf, and their co-conspirators would have to take action then to secure other coins in case they are challenged next) I suppose this means they need to reveal the whole tap tree down to that level (+ 1?) and also have a universally agreed upon level. I think putting it at the first level and proving that its sibling 16:26 < Ademan> has two children would be enough? Obviously spending via "real" tap leafs would each cost 32 witness bytes more, but institutions can afford it lol 16:27 < Ademan> that should read "otherwise the first party to be challenged..." 17:51 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 18:24 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:12 -!- vysn [~vysn@user/vysn] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:21 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 20:54 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:49 -!- pablomartin4btc [~pablomart@185.61.158.28] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:44 -!- Ademan [~ademan@47.185.95.178] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:51 -!- tusko [~xoxoxo@user/tusko] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:51 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:24 -!- AaronvanW [~AaronvanW@user/AaronvanW] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:46 -!- ghost43_ [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:47 -!- ghost43 [~ghost43@gateway/tor-sasl/ghost43] has joined #bitcoin-wizards 23:51 -!- tromp [~textual@92-110-219-57.cable.dynamic.v4.ziggo.nl] has joined #bitcoin-wizards --- Log closed Thu Jan 25 00:00:39 2024