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kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/bitcoin-devcore-2015/gavinandresen/07:07
nshoh, nice one kanzure :)07:07
nshare you transcribing any more cool-things-wot-i-missed?07:08
kanzuredunno, i'm skeptical of typing this jeremy allaire stuff07:08
kanzurelike, went from core development to this ceotalk.. what's going on here.07:08
kanzure( http://blog.circle.com/2015/02/10/devcore-livestream/ )07:08
kanzuregavinandresen: sorry for not capturing all of that. i only caught last few minutes :(.07:09
fanquakekanzure Any chance you have a transcript/video of the talk sipa gave a few days ago?07:09
kanzurenope07:09
kanzureyou people need to tell me about these things if you want transcripts07:10
* nsh nods07:10
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nshi'm sure if you find the right thing to rotate, sipa will rewind and give it again07:10
kanzure"evolve into a more distributed cloud butt"07:10
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kanzureyeah i'm not typing this...07:10
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fanquakeare we even talking bitcoin?07:11
fanquake*is he07:11
kanzurewhat a waste of time. this is supposed to be for core developers? hilarious07:11
nshnot explicitly. fiduciary trust something. oh god, microsoft DCOM07:11
fanquakeJAVA in the browser07:11
nshjava in the browser. i think we've covering what definitely didn't work07:12
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kanzurehe doesn't understand why netscape "died off"07:12
fanquakeDid the audience members have to pay to be there?07:14
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nshthis isn't entirely without merit, between buzzphrases07:18
nshhi zooko07:18
fanquakeYea, guess I’ll have to wait until 11.4507:19
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kanzuremeh.... http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/bitcoin-devcore-2015/jeremy-allaire-circle/07:30
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instagibbsCircle is paying for the event... they get to talk :P07:39
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instagibbsoh rivetz guy07:48
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kanzuremeh i typed a bit of that http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/bitcoin-devcore-2015/jeremy-allaire-circle/07:59
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fanquakedigging this music08:40
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Zouppendo you have any suggestions for public key crypto which is easy to do in modern web browsers? encryption is done at browser in this case (decryption will be server-side)09:03
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Zouppenit doesn't need to be ECDSA related, although it would be useful if we can use bitcoin addresses as public part of the key09:04
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MRL-Relay[tacotime] I mean... I think you can do everything in JS for secp256k1, whether or not that's a good idea is a whole different story.09:05
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justanotheruserZouppen: web wallets can't be secure by design, but there is webcrypto09:29
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Zouppenjustanotheruser: do you mean w3c web cryptography api?09:34
justanotheruserZouppen: yes09:35
Zouppenseems pretty supported for my suprise http://caniuse.com/#feat=cryptography09:37
Zouppen*surprise09:37
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kanzurehttp://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/bitcoin-devcore-2015/research-and-development-goals/09:45
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kanzureso i think that this current presentation is disingenious... building on a third-party api is pointless. you might as well not use bitcoin. simplified payment verification still counts, but whatever.09:49
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kanzure"we have to get over the learning curve" this seems dangerous.. just replacing bitcoind with a third party api is not compelling.09:53
kanzurecan someone ping me when development stuff is being streamed and if you want a transcript? kthx09:56
kanzure(from http://blog.circle.com/2015/02/10/devcore-livestream/ )09:56
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Zouppenjustanotheruser: yes, seems to do the trick, at least there is RSA-OAEP there which supports asymmetric encryption. http://www.w3.org/TR/WebCryptoAPI/#algorithm-overview10:08
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justanotheruserZouppen: good. Any further discussion probably belongs in ##crypto10:08
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Zouppenokay. you are true that this wasn't very bitcoin specific question so apologies for that and thanks for suggesting the w3c crypto api10:10
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kanzurei wonder if very long delays in blockchain sync would be useful if you wanted to perform human review of the transactions in the mean time (e.g. you were ont okay with instant relay)11:30
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kanzureyou could have tools to help you manually review the edge cases (since the vast majority are probably standard rule-following transactions that you had already configured your review analysis tool to be okay with)11:31
kanzureoh right, delays aren't compatible with the racing11:31
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