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| prosodyC | (<3) ) | 08:49 |
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| nsh | A framework for creating zero-knowledge mobile & desktop applications | 09:38 |
| nsh | https://crypton.io/ -- https://github.com/SpiderOak/crypton | 09:38 |
| nsh | 'Crypton is a framework for creating zero-knowledge applications with JavaScript.' | 09:39 |
| nsh | 'Zero knowledge without knowing cryptography' -- https://crypton.io/ | 09:39 |
| * nsh frowns | 09:39 | |
| nsh | i don't see this ending well | 09:39 |
| nsh | reasonable caveats given hear though: https://crypton.io/docs/ | 09:41 |
| nsh | 'Crypton is a unique way to build applications, primarily because it makes it simple for developers to store data with a server in such a way that the server doesn’t know what that data is. Additionally, all Crypton-based applications are built solely on the client, and the server acts only as a smart pipe to the database to store and retrieve data for authenticated users. A side effect of this architecture is that w | 09:42 |
| nsh | orking with the framework is not dissimilar to using a ”backend as a service”' | 09:42 |
| gmaxwell | nsh: I believe this is 0bin with a lot of jargon. :P | 09:42 |
| nsh | aye :) | 09:42 |
| jcorgan | that running cryptographic and/or money-related code in javascript or in a browser is a terrible idea has been known for a long time; at a certain point sympathy for the inevitable failures gets hard to muster. | 09:43 |
| nsh | still, if it can be proven to work, it is arguably beneficial to both hoster and client | 09:43 |
| nsh | (reduction of liability, reduction of trust, respectively) | 09:43 |
| nsh | 'There is a problem with doing cryptography in a web browser, where an end user cannot (or will not) verify the entirety of code sent to them upon loading a page - a service operator can therefore inject malicious code into a previously verified page. Because of this, we can only recommend Crypton for use in packaged applications, such as with Cordova or node-webkit. For more information, see our security model.' | 09:43 |
| nsh | so at least they acknowledge the issue | 09:44 |
| nsh | but you can easily envision people using it in browsers anyway | 09:44 |
| nsh | security model remains to be formalised, which is not promising as they clearly formulated enough marketing copy to be reference in several 'journalistic' media | 09:45 |
| prosodyC | That is useful information actually, thank you. Basics are still wizardry. | 09:45 |
| gmaxwell | nsh: still as far as I can tell, this is just "JS that encrypts data before having a server store it" .... calling it Zero knowledge is a little 0_o | 09:46 |
| nsh | yeah, that definitely raises an eyebrow at best | 09:47 |
| nsh | maybe related to: http://zeroknowledgeprivacy.org/about/ | 09:48 |
| nsh | s/maybe // | 09:48 |
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| nsh | this is maybe relevant for people trying to bootstrap stronger computational models from access structures: | 14:23 |
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| nsh | .title https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Q7aYRrGIpU | 14:23 |
| yoleaux | Addition is Exponentially Harder than Counting for Shallow Monotone Circuits - YouTube | 14:23 |
| nsh | specifically via weighted thresholds | 14:25 |
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| justanotheruser | wow finally this got posted. Are posts manually added by mods or what wtf? | 14:27 |
| justanotheruser | oops, mis ctrl+v | 14:27 |
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