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| tromp | http://imgur.com/oy2f1J3 the bitcoin world revolves around Malta it seems:-) | 06:49 |
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| tromp | article at http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21677198-technology-behind-bitcoin-could-transform-how-economy-works-trust-machine | 06:53 |
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| justanotheruser | tromp: I think that's more appropriate for #bitcoin | 06:56 |
| tromp | the Malta comment was directed at certain wizards though:) | 06:56 |
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| jcorgan | http://arxiv.org/pdf/1510.05833.pdf | 09:01 |
| jcorgan | A Blind-Mixing Scheme for Bitcoin based on an Elliptic Curve | 09:02 |
| jcorgan | Cryptography Blind Digital Signature Algorithm | 09:02 |
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| kanzure | interactive version of http://zesty.ca/voting/sim/ is at http://zesty.ca/voting/voteline/ | 13:05 |
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| katu | jcorgan: hmm, seems like it offers no post-mortem linkability, thus opening a DoS window | 13:11 |
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| gmaxwell | katu: it trivally does. The protocol is explained in one of my coinjoin posts. | 13:22 |
| gmaxwell | katu: in the event of a failed join, you make the paritcipants reveal their blinding factors. | 13:22 |
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| Jeremy_Rand | Hello gmaxwell. I was thinking about your suggestions for storing names as hashes in Namecoin some more. There are some proposals for Namecoin usage (not materialized yet) which rely on being able to identify related names by a prefix, i.e. you search by a prefix and you get all the names that match the prefix. Am I correct in assuming that such functionality is incompatible with your suggestions, or is there some trick to do it that I haven' | 13:30 |
| Jeremy_Rand | t thought of? | 13:30 |
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| americanpegasus | WINTERS OVER JON SNOW. | 17:08 |
| merlincorey | YOU KNOW NOTHING | 17:09 |
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| kanzure | d/win 11 | 17:09 |
| kanzure | ejiroqejoq whoops | 17:09 |
| americanpegasus | You gave me an idea. I'm gonna make an infographic comparing Thrones characters to Bitcoin types | 17:11 |
| sipa | #bitcoin please | 17:11 |
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| nanasho | hello | 17:45 |
| nanasho | someone is mining strange coinbase transactions | 17:46 |
| MRL-Relay | [tacotime] 'strange'? | 17:46 |
| sipa | #bitcoin-dev or #bitcoin | 17:46 |
| nanasho | https://blockchain.info/block-index/980642/000000000000000004a1f5535579b610f7050d2e6ea456f98a36ce7ab3547d85 | 17:47 |
| nanasho | two zero bitcoin outputs | 17:47 |
| MRL-Relay | [tacotime] zero outputs are allowed | 17:47 |
| nanasho | http://chainflyer.bitflyer.jp/Address/149XQ5cUYnLbdDY2Fw1NqkVJ1YZxGWfNfR | 17:47 |
| nanasho | this address specifically | 17:47 |
| sipa | #bitcoin please | 17:49 |
| nanasho | gooby pls | 17:49 |
| nanasho | i have never seen coinbases like this | 17:51 |
| nanasho | sorry for overreacting :D | 17:52 |
| sipa | you're free to ask, but see the topic of this channel: | 17:52 |
| sipa | This channel is is for discussing theoretical ideas with regard to cryptocurrencies, not about short-term Bitcoin development | 17:52 |
| nanasho | i see | 17:53 |
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| -!- sipa changed the topic of #bitcoin-wizards to: This channel is for discussing theoretical ideas with regard to cryptocurrencies, not about short-term Bitcoin development | http://bitcoin.ninja/ | This channel is logged. | For logs and more information, visit http://bitcoin.ninja | 17:53 | |
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| nanasho | is there a good channel for bitcoin trading? | 17:54 |
| maaku | #bitcoin-pricetalk | 17:54 |
| MRL-Relay | [tacotime] #bitcoin-otc | 17:54 |
| nanasho | now we are talking | 17:54 |
| nanasho | thanks a bunch | 17:55 |
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| nanasho | ok i have a theoretical question. how long would it take for an address to empty if i post the privkey on #bitcoin-otc? | 17:55 |
| sipa | #bitcoin please | 17:55 |
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| @gwillen | nanasho: this is a channel where people doing advanced / theoretical bitcoin research have discussions about that; please take other discussion elsewhere. You're welcome to hang out here and listen. | 18:00 |
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| CodeShark | Is there anything published out there specifically regarding incentivizing full nodes? Or is there any decent relevant research in this area? | 19:06 |
| sipa | i don't believe in incentivizing full nodes | 19:07 |
| CodeShark | well, let me back up... | 19:07 |
| sipa | only in making the barrier to running one lower | 19:07 |
| gmaxwell | there is this design for a sybil resistant system for incentiving particpation in the network, it's called "mining"; perhaps you've heard of it? :P | 19:07 |
| CodeShark | gmaxwell: except most full nodes don't mine and most miners don't validate | 19:08 |
| gmaxwell | But I agree, full nodes do not, generally, provide a "capacity" where we need more of them by count. (there are some corner cases, e.g. some kind of connection sybil resistance can be stronger with more nodes run by indifferent people) | 19:08 |
| CodeShark | I don't mean incentivizing full nodes in the sense of extraprotocol subsidies - I'm talking about the ability to offer other services besides mining that would presumably require running a full node | 19:09 |
| CodeShark | or the ability to make sure that miners are properly validating | 19:09 |
| CodeShark | or incentives for invalidation of bad blocks | 19:09 |
| CodeShark | or something along these lines | 19:09 |
| sipa | you can offer services to the network, such as relay, access to historical blocks, indexes over UTXO sets or transactions, ... | 19:09 |
| CodeShark | right | 19:10 |
| sipa | but none of those require running an independent full node | 19:10 |
| sipa | i can just run an indexer that is fed by blocks received from blockchain.info | 19:10 |
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| CodeShark | right - although the computational cost of running an indexer is probably comparable if not more to validating the entire blockchain | 19:11 |
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| CodeShark | so you could "cheat" by skipping validation, although it wouldn't really save you too much in costs | 19:13 |
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| bramc | Problem: A block needs to be reorganized and the edge cases are all very complicated. Solution: Obliterate everything in the block and queue it all up to be added again. | 23:59 |
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