2016-04-11.log

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TD-Linux"An attestation of execution provides information for verifying that the certificate was created within the TEE (and that the validator waited the allotted time)."11:49
TD-Linuxof all the things that SGX can do, I don't see how it can reasonably securely attest elapsed time11:49
nshtrusted execution environment?11:49
nshthat's pretty much the only thing you can attest to11:50
TD-Linuxcontext is http://intelledger.github.io/introduction.html11:50
nshhmm11:50
nshwell, this looks interesting but you'd be insane to bet any money on the security of hypercomplex microprocessor architectural bells and whistles that have been tested approximately not at all11:52
nshi don't understand why they replace the random oracle with some transcript/attestation that the minimal timer was created in the trusted environment. this seems like a more contrived and less provable way to achieve effectively the same thing as a hash lottery11:54
nshwell, i suppose 'scaling' is the motivation11:54
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TD-Linuxrather than burning power hashing, you now buy intel chips that are mostly idle.11:56
TD-Linuxthere are a lot of interesting questions to answer here, such as how the security differs from, say, a stored value system on SGX11:57
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nsh'the base journal implementation'   is this for blockdata filestorage?11:59
nshit'll be useful to see how they separate out the different functions anyway. all grist to the mill11:59
kanzuresgx complaint is being communicated to intel today by a messenger from our community11:59
kanzureor at least, a request to please fix sgx12:00
kanzurealso: see previous sgx mentions in -wizards logs12:00
nshoh wait, this is an intel research project?12:03
nshheh...12:03
nsh(it would be nice if you could do a keyword search for the logs and it could bring up snippets in context)12:03
nsh(that's something for a rainy weekend)12:03
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JackH!seen bramc12:48
gribblebramc was last seen in #bitcoin-wizards 3 weeks, 4 days, 0 hours, 56 minutes, and 47 seconds ago: <bramc> kanzure: I'm planning on doing that, but would like some more feedback first12:48
JackHwtf12:48
kanzurehe has been reading logs from bitcoin core slack interface, probably13:00
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kanzure"Enhancing bitcoin security and performance with strong consistency via collective signing" http://arxiv.org/pdf/1602.06997.pdf13:05
kanzureseems to be a sharding proposal plus multisig13:05
JackHhe is on slack only?13:07
JackHI wanted to get his review on this: http://arxiv.org/pdf/cs/0503060.pdf13:08
JackHsince he commented on the fake satoshi hash tube paper13:08
JackHthis is similar, but seems more structured and actually completed13:08
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LordByronis anyone actually building their ASIC miner?21:31
LordByronhas anyone done this?21:31
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bsm1175321I've built an ASIC miner which determines primes of the form x00...00y.  I feel I've made a valuable contribution to humanity.21:45
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LordByronhave you put together all the components on a board yourself or did you mean you just bought pre-made and worked the shell?21:52
LordByronhas it gotten you many btc?21:52
bsm1175321I'm being extremely sarcastic...21:52
LordByronok21:52
LordByronso what is the core everyone can get into -21:53
bsm1175321Because what I said is a stupid idea.21:53
LordByroni mean something beyond just buying asic miners and mining?21:53
LordByronobviously building your asic miners is bit of reach for most people21:53
LordByronso what is then the most effective way to scale?21:53
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bsm1175321None of the above.  What is "scale" to you?  I think you may be in the wrong channel.21:56
LordByronscaling means to me,21:56
LordByroni guess buying asic miners or whichever effective miners at a cheap price21:57
LordByroncheap(er)21:57
c0rw1nbuy a fab21:57
LordByronas much as possible21:57
LordByronc0rw1n what is a fab?21:57
c0rw1nASIC-fabricating factory21:57
bsm1175321Definitely the wrong channel.  Try #bitcoin-profiteers, or #bitcoin-vultures21:58
LordByronthat is interesting21:58
LordByronthank you for an interesting idea21:58
LordByronand, what is this channel about then21:58
LordByronif not about bitcoins?21:58
c0rw1ncryptocoin research21:58
bsm1175321Not welcome here.  Any moron can buy low and sell high.  This channel is about how to make bitcoin better/faster/more private/handle more transactions.21:58
LordByronThank you for calling me a moron.21:59
LordByronso it's about software than actual practice.21:59
bsm1175321Sorry.  It's late.21:59
LordByronalright...21:59
bsm1175321Yes, algorithms and techniques.21:59
bsm1175321No offense.21:59
bsm1175321Maybe #bitcoin or #bitcoin-pricetalk would be up your alley (seriously)22:00
LordByronnon taken. i am ignorant. so i am here to educate myself. thank you for the lead. i didnt know such techniques existed to improve bitcoin overall.22:00
LordByrondoes it however help with the profiteering through mining?22:00
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LordByronor perhaps, does it help exchanges with market(s) and through it, profiteering?22:01
bsm1175321Yes, making bitcoin better helps with profiteering.  But the latter, as a motivation, generally does not drive algorithms or research.22:01
LordByroni understand. no, this is where i would like to be. i will stop then with the questions on profiteering.22:01
LordByroni was always curious about how e-currencies were created and how algorithms and machine learning can be applied to the practice.22:02
bsm1175321Ask yourself: why would anyone here, interested in making bitcoin better, also be interested in earning profit for YOU?22:02
bsm1175321LordByron you're welcome to hang out here and listen, but the dicussion is generally pretty esoteric.22:03
LordByronnay. none would be open to help with such benefit toward myself. but some experts use their explanation as an outlet of creativity, to spark new ideas within themselves.22:03
LordByronhowever, this would be wishful thinking.22:03
LordByronnow i understand the nature of this channel, i will simply listen.22:04
bsm1175321We all desire a better financial system, and if we succeed, it will enrich us all.  This does not involve which mining hardware to buy today.22:04
LordByronindeed22:04
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* nsh would be happy with no financial system23:25
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gwillen]/win goto #slatestarcodex23:33
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