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| fluffypony | http://bitcoin.stackexchange.com/questions/46220/are-there-alternatives-to-gitian | 04:18 |
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| JackH | how long before CSV activates? | 04:43 |
| Ylbam | already "locked in", activates in 684 blocks, about 4.7 days | 04:44 |
| Ylbam | at next difficulty adjustment | 04:44 |
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| kanzure | "How to leak a secret" https://people.csail.mit.edu/rivest/pubs/RST01.pdf | 06:02 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/~bryan/papers2/bitcoin/One-out-of-many%20proofs:%20or%20how%20to%20leak%20a%20secret%20and%20spend%20a%20coin.pdf | 06:02 |
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| kanzure | https://bits-please.blogspot.com/2016/06/extracting-qualcomms-keymaster-keys.html | 06:15 |
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| kanzure | what? https://twitter.com/FakeIACR | 06:31 |
| bsm117532 | Hahaaa https://twitter.com/FakeIACR/status/740895914970222592 | 06:33 |
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| kanzure | .tw https://twitter.com/FakeIACR/status/740895914970222592 | 06:55 |
| yoleaux | IACR to publish Standardization Bodies Revocation List. SBRL will prevent the use of standards from compromised Standardization Bodies. (@FakeIACR) | 06:55 |
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| fluffypony | https://www.computest.nl/blog/startencrypt-considered-harmful-today/ | 07:26 |
| fluffypony | :/ | 07:26 |
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| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/w3-blockchain-workshop-2016/smart-signatures/ | 07:37 |
| kanzure | http://diyhpl.us/wiki/transcripts/w3-blockchain-workshop-2016/petertodd-dex/ | 07:37 |
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| -!- Topic set by sipa [~pw@unaffiliated/sipa1024] [Thu Oct 29 17:53:34 2015] | 16:11 | |
| [Users #bitcoin-wizards] | 16:11 | |
| [@ChanServ ] [ fractex ] [ nba_btchip ] | 16:11 | |
| [ [ace]_ ] [ freekevin ] [ neha ] | 16:11 | |
| [ [d__d] ] [ gabridome ] [ nephyrin` ] | 16:11 | |
| [ [Derek] ] [ ggreer ] [ nickler ] | 16:11 | |
| [ _whitelogger_ ] [ ghtdak ] [ nicolagreco ] | 16:11 | |
| [ a5m0_ ] [ giel__ ] [ Nightwolf ] | 16:11 | |
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| [ adams__ ] [ go1111111 ] [ null_radix ] | 16:11 | |
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| [ Alopex ] [ henrytill ] [ pigeons ] | 16:11 | |
| [ amiller_ ] [ hexis ] [ Piper-Off ] | 16:11 | |
| [ Anduck ] [ humd1ng3r ] [ poggy_ ] | 16:11 | |
| [ Aranjedeath ] [ huseby ] [ PRab ] | 16:11 | |
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| [ asoltys ] [ Inaltoasinistra] [ PsychoticBoy ] | 16:11 | |
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| [ binns ] [ jl2012 ] [ ryan-c ] | 16:11 | |
| [ bitjedi ] [ jlyndon ] [ SirJacket ] | 16:11 | |
| [ blkdb ] [ johntramp ] [ sixblindmice ] | 16:11 | |
| [ BlueMatt ] [ jonasschnelli ] [ slackircbridge1] | 16:11 | |
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| [ brand0 ] [ jron ] [ so ] | 16:11 | |
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| [ Burrito ] [ justanotheruser] [ sparetire_ ] | 16:11 | |
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| [ c0rw1n ] [ katu_ ] [ starsoccer ] | 16:11 | |
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| [ catcow ] [ keesh ] [ stqism ] | 16:11 | |
| [ catern ] [ kinlo ] [ STRML ] | 16:11 | |
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| [ chjj ] [ kumavis ] [ TD-Linux ] | 16:11 | |
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| [ coryfields ] [ Logicwax ] [ tucenaber ] | 16:11 | |
| [ crescendo ] [ luke-jr ] [ unlord ] | 16:11 | |
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| [ espes ] [ mr_burdell ] [ yorick ] | 16:11 | |
| [ execute ] [ MRL-Relay ] [ zmanian__ ] | 16:11 | |
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| [ Fistful_of_Coins] [ musalbas ] [ zxzzt ] | 16:11 | |
| [ fluffypony ] [ Myagui ] | 16:11 | |
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| -!- Irssi: #bitcoin-wizards: Total of 241 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 240 normal] | 16:11 | |
| -!- Channel #bitcoin-wizards created Mon Feb 25 23:24:47 2013 | 16:11 | |
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| -!- Topic set by sipa [~pw@unaffiliated/sipa1024] [Thu Oct 29 17:53:34 2015] | 16:22 | |
| [Users #bitcoin-wizards] | 16:22 | |
| [@ChanServ ] [ fractex ] [ nanotube ] | 16:22 | |
| [ [ace]_ ] [ freekevin ] [ nba_btchip ] | 16:22 | |
| [ [d__d] ] [ gabridome ] [ neha ] | 16:22 | |
| [ [Derek] ] [ ggreer ] [ nephyrin` ] | 16:22 | |
| [ _whitelogger_ ] [ ghtdak ] [ nickler ] | 16:22 | |
| [ a5m0_ ] [ giel__ ] [ nicolagreco ] | 16:22 | |
| [ AaronvanW ] [ gigq ] [ Nightwolf ] | 16:22 | |
| [ adam3us ] [ Giszmo ] [ Noice_ ] | 16:22 | |
| [ adamg ] [ gnusha ] [ Noldorin ] | 16:22 | |
| [ adams__ ] [ go1111111 ] [ nsh ] | 16:22 | |
| [ adlai ] [ GreenIsMyPepper] [ null_radix ] | 16:22 | |
| [ aem ] [ gribble ] [ nullfxn ] | 16:22 | |
| [ afk11 ] [ grubles ] [ optimator_ ] | 16:22 | |
| [ aj_ ] [ Guest88671 ] [ othe ] | 16:22 | |
| [ akoko ] [ gwillen ] [ otoburb_ ] | 16:22 | |
| [ Alanius ] [ harrow ] [ OxADADA ] | 16:22 | |
| [ alexkuck____ ] [ hashtagg ] [ PaulCapestany ] | 16:22 | |
| [ alferz ] [ helo ] [ petertodd ] | 16:22 | |
| [ Alopex ] [ henrytill ] [ phantomcircuit ] | 16:22 | |
| [ amiller_ ] [ hexis ] [ pigeons ] | 16:22 | |
| [ Anduck ] [ humd1ng3r ] [ Piper-Off ] | 16:22 | |
| [ Aranjedeath ] [ huseby ] [ poggy_ ] | 16:22 | |
| [ artifexd ] [ ibrightly ] [ PRab ] | 16:22 | |
| [ arubi ] [ iddo ] [ pro ] | 16:22 | |
| [ asoltys ] [ Inaltoasinistra] [ prosodyContexte] | 16:22 | |
| [ aspect_ ] [ instagibbs ] [ PsychoticBoy ] | 16:22 | |
| [ austerity_sucks ] [ Iriez ] [ qawap_ ] | 16:22 | |
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| [ berndj ] [ JackH ] [ rasengan ] | 16:22 | |
| [ bertani ] [ jaromil ] [ RedEmerald_ ] | 16:22 | |
| [ bildramer ] [ jbenet ] [ retrohacker ] | 16:22 | |
| [ binaryatrocity ] [ jeremyrubin ] [ roasbeef ] | 16:22 | |
| [ binaryFate ] [ jessepollak ] [ robmyers ] | 16:22 | |
| [ binns ] [ jl2012 ] [ runeks ] | 16:22 | |
| [ bitjedi ] [ jlyndon ] [ ryan-c ] | 16:22 | |
| [ blkdb ] [ johntramp ] [ SirJacket ] | 16:22 | |
| [ BlueMatt ] [ jonasschnelli ] [ sixblindmice ] | 16:22 | |
| [ BonyM ] [ jouke ] [ slackircbridge1] | 16:22 | |
| [ brand0 ] [ jrayhawk ] [ smooth ] | 16:22 | |
| [ btcdrak ] [ jron ] [ so ] | 16:22 | |
| [ Burrito ] [ jtremback_ ] [ Sosumi ] | 16:22 | |
| [ bustd_soket ] [ justanotheruser] [ sparetire_ ] | 16:22 | |
| [ buZz ] [ K1773R ] [ spinza ] | 16:22 | |
| [ c0rw1n ] [ kaptah ] [ Starduster ] | 16:22 | |
| [ c0rw1n- ] [ katu_ ] [ starsoccer ] | 16:22 | |
| [ catcow ] [ Keefe ] [ stevenroose ] | 16:22 | |
| [ catern ] [ keesh ] [ stqism ] | 16:22 | |
| [ cfields ] [ kinlo ] [ STRML ] | 16:22 | |
| [ chjj ] [ koshii ] [ superkuh ] | 16:22 | |
| [ Chris_Stewart_5 ] [ kumavis ] [ TD-Linux ] | 16:22 | |
| [ CodeShark ] [ l0rdPE ] [ Tenhi ] | 16:22 | |
| [ comboy ] [ LeMiner ] [ TheSeven ] | 16:22 | |
| [ copumpkin ] [ Lightsword ] [ thrasher` ] | 16:22 | |
| [ Cory ] [ livegnik ] [ Tiraspol ] | 16:22 | |
| [ coryfields ] [ liviud ] [ trippysa1mon ] | 16:22 | |
| [ crescendo ] [ Logicwax ] [ tucenaber ] | 16:22 | |
| [ CryptoAi ] [ luke-jr ] [ unlord ] | 16:22 | |
| [ cyphase ] [ luny ] [ vdo ] | 16:22 | |
| [ da2ce7 ] [ Lysanders ] [ vyvojar ] | 16:22 | |
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| [ dabura667 ] [ Madars ] [ wangchun ] | 16:22 | |
| [ Darknes ] [ malte ] [ warren ] | 16:22 | |
| [ davec_ ] [ mappum ] [ waxwing ] | 16:22 | |
| [ devrandom ] [ MaxSan_1 ] [ whphhg ] | 16:22 | |
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| [ e0 ] [ midnightmagic ] [ xeon-enouf ] | 16:22 | |
| [ edvorg ] [ mkarrer_ ] [ yang ] | 16:22 | |
| [ Eliel_ ] [ mn3monic ] [ Ylbam ] | 16:22 | |
| [ Emcy ] [ MoALTz ] [ yokwe ] | 16:22 | |
| [ eragmus ] [ morcos ] [ yoleaux ] | 16:22 | |
| [ espes ] [ mountaingoat ] [ yorick ] | 16:22 | |
| [ execute ] [ mr_burdell ] [ zmanian__ ] | 16:22 | |
| [ Expanse ] [ MRL-Relay ] [ zooko ] | 16:22 | |
| [ Fistful_of_Coins] [ Muis ] [ zxzzt ] | 16:22 | |
| [ fluffypony ] [ musalbas ] | 16:22 | |
| [ forrestv ] [ Myagui ] | 16:22 | |
| -!- Irssi: #bitcoin-wizards: Total of 241 nicks [1 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 240 normal] | 16:22 | |
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| -!- Topic set by sipa [~pw@unaffiliated/sipa1024] [Thu Oct 29 17:53:34 2015] | 17:01 | |
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| rusty2 | Um, I thought SHA256 wasn't vulnerable to length-extension attacks because it includes the bitcoin at the end (explicitly for this reason). Am I missing something? | 20:14 |
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| kanzure | s/bitcoin/? | 20:15 |
| rusty | kanzure: oops... yeah, two conversations at once, that got smerged. s/bitcoin/bitlength/. :) I guess you can still extend if that's valid data, though. | 20:17 |
| bsm117532 | kanzure I thought this was exactly why satoshi used *double* sha256? | 20:23 |
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| zooko | rusty: that's "Merkle-Damgård strengthening" and it's not good enough to prevent length-extension attacks. | 20:34 |
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| rusty | zooko: you mean you can extend after the bitlength, right? I guess you'd need to prepend the length to make this work, and that has other issues. | 20:46 |
| rusty | bsm117532: I've heard that theory before, but don't understand it. Perhaps there was a concern that some future partial weakness in SHA could deconstruct the hash enough to weaken the PoW? | 20:49 |
| katu_ | i can't readily imagine how. all you can do with le is append, which helps you add data to a commitment (typically secret in hmac-like construct) | 20:50 |
| katu_ | theres nothing of the sorts in bitcoin afaik | 20:50 |
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| Taek | from what I've gathered, Satoshi was not an amazing cryptographer, he may have done that out of paranoia | 20:52 |
| katu_ | well, his prudence did pay off, especially in relation to SAT mining | 20:55 |
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| zooko | Satoshi probably got it from Ferguson and Schneier's book "Practical Cryptography" / "Cryptography Engineering". | 20:56 |
| katu_ | (ie simple means to double the number of rounds, without inventing non-standard hash function) | 20:56 |
| zooko | We also used that construction, which F&S named "SHA256d", in Tahoe-LAFS. | 20:56 |
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| veleiro | if I want to commit a message to the 420001 block (halving day), any opinions that it will be quite full of people wanting to do the same thing? | 21:03 |
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| slackircbridge1 | <dts> the reason double sha hash was used was to prevent a birthday attack that impacted sha1 | 21:39 |
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| phantomcircuit | rusty: remember that sha256d is used all over the place, not just in the PoW | 22:08 |
| phantomcircuit | i assume that it was done simply as a means of hardening other uses | 22:08 |
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