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00:49 < ThrobbingSausage> Is the latest master branch effectively 0.6 ?
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01:21 < sturles> What goes wrong with make check here?  https://0bin.net/paste/FXlOSzOXLUAQ-9kV#wC4T3aHSOT-fPo6WCJusX6YxlzACWVnsbwxoNr0Ei4s
01:22 < sturles> test_connect FAILED for some reason.
01:51 -githubby:#c-lightning- [lightning] arowser opened pull request #1598: align generate wire template (master...align_generate_template) https://git.io/fJAj0
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07:54 < Xian001> disregard: just pulled and built latest main. "version": "v0.6rc1"
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08:09 < _mr_e> Thanks molz. So I guess the expected flow for a user trying to use a lightning service is:
08:09 < _mr_e> 1. Attempt to pay the invoice directly (If they already have at least 1 channel open elsewhere)
08:10 < _mr_e> 2. If the route can not be found, open a channel to the service
08:10 < _mr_e> 3. As more users open channels with this service, more and more users will be able to find a route without opening a new channel directly with the service
08:10 < molz> yes, exactly
08:12 < _mr_e> So let's say I open a channel with service a, and I have other users with a channel open to me... Will my channel quickly be drained by other users routing through me?
08:13 < _mr_e> and then I will not be able to send my own transaction to the service without opening a new channel?
08:14 < molz> no, when you open a channel your money is on your side, other people who have channels with you also have money on their side, right?
08:14 < _mr_e> ah right
08:15 < _mr_e> so they forward me 0.1 and i forward service a .01 and we're all good
08:15 < _mr_e> but i actually could end up receiving .01000001
08:15 < molz> and you have a direct channel to node A?
08:16 < _mr_e> right
08:16 < molz> suppose node A sells a product that you want to buy, you use your money to buy from A
08:16 < molz> then the money goes to the other side of your channel with A
08:17 < _mr_e> right
08:17 < molz> suppose someone who has a channel with you but doesn't have a channel with A, and he also wants to buy something from A
08:17 < molz> so he attemps to make a payment, and your money on the other side in channel with A is enough for this person to "borrow"
08:17 < molz> then he sends a payment to A, by sending money to you, and you send to A for him
08:18 < _mr_e> makes sense
08:19 < _mr_e> is there a way to add more funds to or increase the balance in my channel, or do I have to close 1 and open another
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08:21 < molz> not yet
08:22 < molz> there's something called "splicing" that will let us add fund to channel without having to close the channel but it's in development so i heard
08:23 < _mr_e> but during routing, someone sends me funds, which I forward to the service... effectively adds funds to my channel
08:23 < _mr_e> if I had 2 nodes, a and b
08:23 < _mr_e> b has 10 btc in a channel to a, a has 10 channels to different services
08:23 < _mr_e> can b somehow restock any of the 10 channels in a
08:24 < _mr_e> it's basically just routing, but without a forwarding
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11:06 < grafcaps> I've got a rather old channel that is not connected and has been in "CHANNELD_SHUTTING_DOWN" for a while now. I was able to force all of the other channels to close, but this one says "bad-txns-vout-empty?" whenever I try to force-close it
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14:55 < molz> grafcaps, i think it means the channel doesn't have enough to pay for the closing fee
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15:02 < grafcaps> interesting, unfortunately I gotta run but thanks
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16:52 < ctrlbreak> Interesting... my Eclair channel to my personal node finally appears to have blown up today:
16:52 < ctrlbreak>           "status": [
16:52 < ctrlbreak>             "CHANNELD_NORMAL:HTLC 13 state SENT_REMOVE_HTLC not failed/fulfilled",
16:52 < ctrlbreak>             "CHANNELD_NORMAL:Sent reestablish, waiting for theirs"
16:53 < ctrlbreak> meanwhile... Eclair says closing - uncooperative.
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16:59 < ctrlbreak> grafcaps: you there?
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18:00 < blockstream_bot> [Chang Li, Blockstream] hi team, is there a way I can monitor other people's transcations that flows through my channels ?
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18:15  * rusty wonders where blockstream_bot came from...
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18:16 < rusty> There's no API for that; you can see some results from listpeers, but not a complete list
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19:21 < windsok> does anyone know which file I need to copy to move the c-lightning on-chain wallet to another node (assuming I have no channels open)
19:22 < windsok> rusty: it seems to be a bridge the the Blockstream Slack
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22:43 < rusty> windsok: Hmm, hmm.... copy the sqlite3 file, and probably the gossip_store.  The hsm_secret is the secret to the node_id, and all the channels.  But if no channels are open it shouldn't matter.
22:43 < rusty> windsok: actually, the addresses are also derived from hsm_secret, so that won't work.
22:44 < rusty> windsok: on-chain xfer of funds is the easiest way to send money from one node to another, otherwise you need to do a clone (which you can't do if you want to run both!)
22:47 < sturles> Bump: https://0bin.net/paste/FXlOSzOXLUAQ-9kV#wC4T3aHSOT-fPo6WCJusX6YxlzACWVnsbwxoNr0Ei4s
22:48 < sturles> What causes this error from make check?
22:48 < sturles> Built on an oldish Debian box.
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22:56 < rusty> sturles: hmm, looking now...
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23:00 < rusty> sturles: hilarious, someone actually used one of the test codes to run up a machine on testnet, so the dns resolver actually returned a real address!
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23:01 < sturles> :-D     
23:09 < rusty> You @sturles on GH BTW?
23:10 < sturles> Yes     
23:12 -githubby:#c-lightning- [lightning] rustyrussell opened pull request #1600: pytest: make test_connect use an unknown id. (master...make-test-connect-more-robust) https://git.io/fs3Fy
23:13 < rusty> Thanks! ^
23:14 < sturles> Thank you too!  I can upgrade my main node now.  It worked on my other node for some reason.  I should probably worry about that. :-)
23:15 < rusty> sturles: no, it's OK, that doesn't resolve for me now either.  The node has obviously gone away...
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23:56 -githubby:#c-lightning- [lightning] rustyrussell pushed 1 new commit to master: https://git.io/fswvU
23:56 -githubby:#c-lightning- lightning/master 85e0212 arowser: align generate wire template
23:58 < sturles> rusty: it didn't fix the problem. :-(  Ran make check again with the patch.  Got the same error.