--- Day changed Fri Aug 03 2018 00:16 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:17 -!- simlay [~simlay@gateway/tor-sasl/simlay] has joined #c-lightning 00:25 -!- berndj [~berndj@azna.co.za] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:25 -!- berndj-blackout [~berndj@azna.co.za] has joined #c-lightning 00:27 -!- berndj-blackout is now known as berndj 01:29 -!- Lightblock_ [uid302821@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-koxddmrwywhbmqns] has joined #c-lightning 01:45 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:46 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has joined #c-lightning 02:09 -!- ebx [~ebx@unaffiliated/ebex] has joined #c-lightning 04:03 -!- Drolmer [~Drolmer@unaffiliated/drolmer] has joined #c-lightning 05:39 < Lightblock_> Hi everyone 05:39 < Lightblock_> there is a new question ) 05:40 < Lightblock_> what would be the trigger to change the timestamp of particular channel? does it have to do with changes in capacity etc.? 05:41 < Lightblock_> there are channels which have their timestamp unchanged for a few days in a row 05:46 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #c-lightning 05:52 < molz> Lightblock_, where do you see the timestamp? 05:52 < Lightblock_> "last_update": 1532976321, 05:53 < molz> Lightblock_, on c-lightning nodes? 05:53 < Lightblock_> "short_channel_id": "526128:706:1", 05:53 < Lightblock_> "public": true, 05:53 < Lightblock_> "satoshis": 100000, 05:53 < Lightblock_> "flags": 3, 05:53 < Lightblock_> "active": false, 05:53 < Lightblock_> "last_update": 1532976321, 05:53 < Lightblock_> "base_fee_millisatoshi": 1000, 05:53 < Lightblock_> "fee_per_millionth": 10, 05:53 < Lightblock_> "delay": 14 05:53 < Lightblock_> } 05:53 < Lightblock_> ] 05:53 < Lightblock_> } 05:53 < Lightblock_> just some random channel for example 05:53 < molz> Lightblock_, is it lnd or c-lightning? 05:54 < Lightblock_> c-lightning 05:54 < Lightblock_> I want to track the changes of channels, should I only check the timestamp or I need to keep the log of all the channel data and check for changes my self? 05:55 < molz> which command is this? 05:55 < Lightblock_> I am kind of confused by this last_update 05:55 < Lightblock_> one moment 05:55 < Lightblock_> lightning-cli listchannels 526128:706:1 05:56 < Lightblock_> listchannels 526128:706:1 05:58 -!- Amperture [~amp@24.136.5.183] has joined #c-lightning 05:59 < molz> why do you want to track the changes of channels? 05:59 < Lightblock_> for internal analytical purposes 06:00 < Lightblock_> and my own research 06:00 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:01 < molz> there are channels which have their timestamp unchanged for weeks and months, and you want to change the timestamp for nodes you don't own? 06:03 < molz> Lightblock_, why don't you set up some nodes and do the update for your nodes to figure it out? 06:03 < Lightblock_> no, I think you have misunderstood, I don't want to change anything, I just want to understand what does the timestamp stand for? what would be the event for the timestamp of channel to change? 06:04 < Lightblock_> I have my own node certainly 06:05 < Lightblock_> I thought the community is here to exchange information and share knowledge, isn't it? 06:05 < molz> Lightblock_, i just told you how to figure it out 06:06 < molz> unless you don't know what "update" means, then use a dictionary 06:13 < Lightblock_> I know what update means, and I have done the tests you suggest 06:14 < Lightblock_> I have closed the channel, the timestamp was updated 06:29 < Lightblock_> but I also found channels which have been updated recently 06:30 < Lightblock_> but the timestamp which I see in c-lightning has not changes 06:30 < Lightblock_> changed* 06:31 < Lightblock_> that is why I am asking questions here, because it is not quite clear how accurate is the timestamp parameter and whether we can rely on it 06:33 < molz> why do you rely on it? for what reason? 06:36 < Lightblock_> because I want to be sure that if it has been changed, then I can further check the channel data to see what has been actually changed 06:36 -!- ebx [~ebx@unaffiliated/ebex] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:36 < Lightblock_> but now I see that the channel data changes and timestamp remains unchanged 06:36 < Lightblock_> so it means that I have missed the change in the channel data 06:36 < molz> ah you want to spy on someone? 06:38 < Lightblock_> =) are you trying to accuse me of something? I am looking at the data which is publicly available 06:41 < Lightblock_> Does this all mean you are not going to answer my question? or you don't know the answer? 06:42 < molz> i answered your question, im just not going to do the dirty work for you, if you still can't figure out this simple thing, find another job 06:54 < Lightblock_> You assume that I am doing something dirty by analyzing the data in such a way. I am not trying to manipulate the data in any way. SImply looking at something which is publicly available. 06:54 < Lightblock_> If I have insulted you somehow by such questions, please accept apologies. 06:58 -!- renepickhardt_ [58823405@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.130.52.5] has joined #c-lightning 07:00 < molz> no i'm not offended, just wondering if you're doing a data analysis why don't you set up a few nodes to figure things out 07:01 < molz> nobody can keep spoonfeeding and nobody knows everything about LN or c-lightning, i'm still learning it myself 07:07 < Lightblock_> yes, I do have the node running 24/7, have done a lot of research already 07:07 < molz> ok then you have the answer 07:10 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #c-lightning 07:45 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:45 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:47 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:48 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has joined #c-lightning 08:58 -!- Amperture [~amp@24.136.5.183] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 09:00 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has joined #c-lightning 09:13 -!- ebx [~ebx@unaffiliated/ebex] has joined #c-lightning 09:36 -!- renepickhardt_ [58823405@gateway/web/freenode/ip.88.130.52.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 10:13 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #c-lightning 10:20 -!- booyah_ [~bb@193.25.1.157] has joined #c-lightning 10:21 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:27 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@162.219.178.34] has joined #c-lightning 10:29 -!- Lightblock_ [uid302821@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-koxddmrwywhbmqns] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 10:37 -!- booyah_ is now known as booyah 10:58 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@104.137.194.255] has joined #c-lightning 10:59 -!- rabidus [~rabidus@85-23-137-40.bb.dnainternet.fi] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:52 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:49 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 12:49 -!- polydin [~delphi@2602:306:b8b6:b970:ddb8:954:b1bd:ceea] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:50 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has joined #c-lightning 13:26 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #c-lightning 13:32 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:34 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has joined #c-lightning 14:07 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:18 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:47 -!- polydin [~delphi@2602:306:b8b6:b970:2881:9609:8c75:f0d4] has joined #c-lightning 14:50 -!- grafcaps [~haroldbr@104.137.194.255] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:57 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has joined #c-lightning 14:58 -!- farmerwampum [~farmerwam@162.219.178.34] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:13 -!- StopAndDecrypt [~StopAndDe@unaffiliated/stopanddecrypt] has joined #c-lightning 17:21 -!- Chris_Stewart_5 [~chris@unaffiliated/chris-stewart-5/x-3612383] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:35 -!- meshcollider_ [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bsaqfkejcalzqttt] has joined #c-lightning 18:31 -!- ebx [~ebx@unaffiliated/ebex] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:44 -!- meshcollider_ [uid246294@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bsaqfkejcalzqttt] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 22:27 -!- booyah [~bb@193.25.1.157] has joined #c-lightning