--- Day changed Wed Sep 19 2018 00:13 -!- mol [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #c-lightning 00:14 -!- molz [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:24 -!- Amperture [~amp@24.136.5.183] has joined #c-lightning 00:44 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 00:45 -!- bitonic-cjp [~bitonic-c@80.100.203.151] has joined #c-lightning 00:45 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #c-lightning 00:51 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 01:00 -!- volition [volition@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/volition] has joined #c-lightning 02:01 -!- Zenton [~user@unaffiliated/vicenteh] has joined #c-lightning 03:01 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #c-lightning 03:09 < queip> where is source code for charged for LN? it seems to revolt around using JS NPM lib lightning-client, but where is its sources? this page only links to github with useless metadata https://www.npmjs.com/package/lightning-client 03:10 < queip> does c-lightning offer some sort of normal RPC for thoes who do not wish to mess with jsnode and it's packaging for users? 03:10 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:10 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #c-lightning 03:10 < queip> perhaps just using lightning-cli is a way? need to, from my C/C++ program, create invoices, check if they are paid. later maybe fund/open/close channels 03:26 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 03:37 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #c-lightning 03:58 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has left #c-lightning [] 04:18 -!- ebx [~ebx@unaffiliated/ebex] has joined #c-lightning 05:03 -!- grubles [~grubles@gateway/tor-sasl/grubles] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:05 -!- grubles [~grubles@gateway/tor-sasl/grubles] has joined #c-lightning 05:16 -!- RubenSomsen [uid301948@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-ibeexnmcgodgyroi] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 05:30 -!- spaced0ut [~spaced0ut@unaffiliated/spaced0ut] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:34 -!- spaced0ut [~spaced0ut@unaffiliated/spaced0ut] has joined #c-lightning 05:55 -!- deusexbeer [~deusexbee@095-129-169-156-dynamic-pool-adsl.wbt.ru] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:27 -!- volition [volition@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/volition] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:35 -!- Zenton [~user@unaffiliated/vicenteh] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:42 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:43 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has joined #c-lightning 08:00 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:01 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has joined #c-lightning 08:20 -!- bitonic-cjp [~bitonic-c@80.100.203.151] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:45 < blockstream_bot> [Daniel Williams, Blockstream] for lightning charge? https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning-charge 08:50 < queip> Daniel Williams, yes. but that doesn't show any real code 08:50 < queip> all that code in https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning-charge just wraps the code for, I guess, js NPM library - and can't find the code of it 08:51 < queip> all that code in https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning-charge just wraps the code from (I guess) js NPM library "lightning-client" - and can't find the code of it 09:20 -!- RubenSomsen [uid301948@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bdxcpdjwbapvkdkj] has joined #c-lightning 12:31 < queip> c-lightning, requires it to be Indexed right? and Un-Prunned too? 12:40 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:41 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has joined #c-lightning 12:53 < queip> is c-lightning alive 13:14 -!- RubenSomsen [uid301948@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-bdxcpdjwbapvkdkj] has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 13:21 < mol> queip, c-lightning does NOT require bitcoin it's using to have 'txindex' 13:21 < mol> or to run with 'txindex'* rather 13:22 < mol> but if your bitcoind is running with txindex, it doesn't matter, you still can use it to run c-lightning 13:22 < queip> anyway in choosing LN wallets to popularize, seems c-lightning anyway is "disqualified" 13:22 < queip> by not being able to run on windows 13:22 < mol> what do you mean? 13:22 < mol> ah 13:22 < queip> it doesn run on windows? 13:23 < mol> btw, each Lightning node is also a wallet, please keep that in mind 13:23 < mol> i've got too many questions from people who ask me "which wallet is best to use with this lightning node" 13:23 < queip> yes, right 13:23 < mol> no currently afaik c-lightning does not run on windows, but that doesn't mean it can be changed 13:24 < mol> er can't * 13:24 < mol> it can be changed if someone can write the code for windows 13:24 < queip> I read, your code base uses just sockets for networking? 13:24 < queip> why not use boost asio and be portable 13:24 < mol> no idea 13:24 < queip> and use C++of course 13:25 < queip> to me this choice seems to make no sense. 13:25 < mol> queip, have you seen this store: https://store.blockstream.com/ ? 13:25 < queip> mol: yea 13:25 < mol> it's using c-lightning 13:26 < mol> same with satoshis.place 13:26 < queip> that's nice for servers, though I am thinking about picking a wallet for end users, and many use windows 13:26 < mol> nah 13:26 < mol> if you can create a phone wallet for LN, it'll be better 13:27 < queip> well there is Eclair, and that wallet with silly name 13:27 < mol> BLW? 13:27 < queip> yea 13:27 < queip> I call it Kuma 13:27 < mol> BLW is not good for privacy 13:27 < mol> i wouldn't use it 13:28 < queip> since it's author is anton kumaigorodski 13:28 < queip> mol: this one? https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.lightning.walletapp 13:29 < mol> yes i think so 13:29 < queip> mol: what is it doing that is bad for privacy? besides not supporting Tor 13:29 < queip> (natively) 13:39 < mol> queip, if you use that wallet you have to pay fees, where do these fees go to? creator of the wallet? so he gets to know about your tx too, yes? and what you spend on, yes? 13:40 < mol> but it's getting offtopic for this channel 13:41 -!- AmikoPay_CJP [~AmikoPay_@a83-163-77-195.adsl.xs4all.nl] has joined #c-lightning 13:43 < queip> the fee goes to buy Olympus server which works as watchtower and such 13:43 < queip> *buy service of 13:44 < queip> not sure how watchtowers impact privacy, but yes, probably they need to know some information 13:44 < queip> but... in LN 13:44 < queip> they only would need to know how your channels ballances change 13:44 < queip> not the final destination of payment right? that is the design 13:46 < queip> instant-watchtower seems very nice and userfriendly to me. Also, that is optional, you can open afaik with any channel, and without buying services of Olympus. So while not being privacy oriented, it seems quite ok for mundane use 13:47 -!- AmikoPay_CJP [~AmikoPay_@a83-163-77-195.adsl.xs4all.nl] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:08 < mol> i don't think the olympus servers have watchtowers 14:08 < mol> none of the impls have watchtowers yet 16:35 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #c-lightning 16:47 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:07 -!- grubles [~grubles@gateway/tor-sasl/grubles] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:03 -!- Netsplit over, joins: mryandao 18:13 -!- grubles [~grubles@gateway/tor-sasl/grubles] has joined #c-lightning 18:13 -!- mn3monic [jsz@unaffiliated/mn3monic] has quit [Excess Flood] 18:13 -!- mn3monic [jsz@unaffiliated/mn3monic] has joined #c-lightning 18:16 -!- grubles [~grubles@gateway/tor-sasl/grubles] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:37 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #c-lightning 18:51 -!- grubles [~grubles@gateway/tor-sasl/grubles] has joined #c-lightning 19:04 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #c-lightning 19:33 < roasbeef> queip: olympus knows evreything you do, it knows all the paymetns you sent, it knows when you sent them, it knows who you sent them to... 19:36 < rusty> roasbeef: Also, he knows when you're awake, he knows if you've been bad or good. (I think I missed context for this comment TBH) 19:38 < roasbeef> kek 19:38 < roasbeef> aton's uber borg path finding server thingy 19:43 < grubles> it also pays him when you open channels with his app right? 19:46 < mol> yup 19:46 < mol> i've had his app on testnet, it pays fees with test coins too 19:52 -!- ebx [~ebx@unaffiliated/ebex] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:05 -!- Jbaczuk [~Jbaczuk@ec2-18-237-204-133.us-west-2.compute.amazonaws.com] has joined #c-lightning 21:31 -!- gnusha [~gnusha@unaffiliated/kanzure/bot/gnusha] has joined #c-lightning 21:32 < kanzure> rusty: you are become a log! http://gnusha.org/c-lightning/ 21:33 -!- mode/#c-lightning [+o rusty] by ChanServ 21:34 -!- rusty changed the topic of #c-lightning to: Chat about the C-lightning implementation: https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning https://lists.ozlabs.org/listinfo/c-lightning Current Version: 0.6.1 Logs at http://gnusha.org/c-lightning/ 21:34 -!- mode/#c-lightning [-o rusty] by rusty 21:35 < rusty> kanzure: thanks!! it would be rude to point out that https://gnusha.org doesn't work? 21:38 < kanzure> YES THAT'S SO RUDE, how about https://diyhpl.us/~gnusha/lightning-dev/ 21:38 -!- mode/#c-lightning [+o rusty] by ChanServ 21:38 -!- rusty changed the topic of #c-lightning to: Chat about the C-lightning implementation: https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning https://lists.ozlabs.org/listinfo/c-lightning Current Version: 0.6.1 Logs at https://diyhpl.us/~gnusha/lightning-dev/ 21:38 -!- mode/#c-lightning [-o rusty] by rusty 21:38 < rusty> kanzure: thanks! :) 21:38 < kanzure> you mean https://diyhpl.us/~gnusha/c-lightning/ 21:39 -!- mode/#c-lightning [+o rusty] by ChanServ 21:39 -!- rusty changed the topic of #c-lightning to: Chat about the C-lightning implementation: https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning https://lists.ozlabs.org/listinfo/c-lightning Current Version: 0.6.1 Logs at http://gnusha.org/c-lightning/ 21:40 <@rusty> kanzure: actually, that server seems configured differnetly: FF offers to save to file, rather than displaying in browser. No biggie... 21:41 < kanzure> ok, backfilling logs now.... 21:42 < kanzure> hmm i only have back to 2017-12-28 for this channel 21:42 < kanzure> backfilled for #lightning-dev back to 2015something https://diyhpl.us/~gnusha/lightning-dev/ 21:42 <@rusty> kanzure: might be right...