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04:28 <@cdecker> That's a 0.095% fee, not really that much IMHO
04:28 <@cdecker> c-lightning would have complained if it were over 0.5% btw and refused to automatically route the payment unless you whitelist a higher feerate
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13:24 < charltonh> That's a 0.095% fee but that is all on bitrefill's side because the channel is directly with their main node.
13:25 < molz> charltonh, which node routed that payment?
13:25 < charltonh> This was a payment directly from my c-lightning node to bitrefill, using a channel open directly with them.
13:26 < charltonh> So they must be charging the (modest) lightning fee.
13:26 < molz> hm they probably have another node in between
13:27 < charltonh> However, I have (large) channels open to my c-lightning node from both my eclair and lightning wallet and for some reason both txns die with "Wallet could not find a path to the payee"
13:27 < charltonh> Not unless they are receiving the payment on a different node of theirs than their main listed node.
13:28 < charltonh> Bitrefill node I have a channel to is:  030c3f19d742ca294a55c00376b3b355c3c90d61c6b6b39554dbc7ac19b141c14f
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13:51 < EagleTM> charltonh: i bought with destination 030c3f19d742ca294a55c00376b3b355c3c90d61c6b6b39554dbc7ac19b141c14f with bitrefill today. 1 sat fee to finish the tx for forwarding one hop (i did not have a direct channel with them) 
13:55 < molz> yea probably he has a channel with their old node
13:55 < molz> bitrefill has two nodes and they're trying to retire the old node 
13:57 < molz> i'm not sure how to see the hops with c-lightning, with lnd it's very easy to see
14:19 < molz> <charltonh> That bind-addr thing should be documented because I wouldn't have known had I not come here to this channel. --> it's here: https://github.com/rustyrussell/lightning/blob/f496eff9c2d1b7720c59257e7b502f77351cfb78/doc/lightningd-config.5.txt#L231
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15:25 < charltonh> Ah ok.
15:25 < charltonh> The 030c3... node is the new node.
15:25 < charltonh> for bitrefill.
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17:14 < molz> cdecker, this looks so strange: https://paste.ee/p/qavpn#osaCr0CFbDicnw58oczWpUL3wIOZmDOa
17:15 < molz> does the bottom part belongs to the same node that I closed?
17:15 < molz> looks like i closed that node and probably autopilot opened another channel to it again right away but i'm not sure
17:16 < molz> (testnet btw)
17:30 < molz> yep same node, closing
17:33 < molz> charltonh, i did two tests with Eclair mobile -> c-lightning -> c-lightning AND Eclair mobile -> c-lightning -> LND, and yes i couldn't get Eclair to send payment on the second scenario, not sure what's going on, will try to investigate
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17:35 < molz> bitrefill is on a lnd node, that's the second case
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18:09 < charltonh> molz, I cannot even get either LNW or eclair to send any payment anywhere, unless it's directly to my c-lightning node.
18:14 < molz> charltonh, maybe speak with eclair devs? their forum is here:  https://gitter.im/ACINQ/eclair
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19:08 < charltonh> molz, Ok, pinged them
19:29 < molz> charltonh, hm.. now when i send payments from Eclair mobile they can be forwarded to both c-lightning node and LND node
19:29 < molz> it's like it needed some grease to ease up or something lol
19:30 < molz> but it seems to me lnd requires more than 1% reserve 
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20:17 < charltonh> "grease" as in liquidity?  I have huge channels with plenty of liquidity to go both ways.  I was able to pay my LNW wallet on my cel from c-lightning, and can pay the c-lightning node from the LNW wallet, but if I try to pay anything outside, it's like e-clair has no idea to route the payment.
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20:18 < charltonh> Cannot pay yalls from the c-lightning node either.  Nothing works.
20:20 < charltonh> Here are my channels, and the attempt at paying yalls:  https://paste.ee/p/P7sNL
20:21 < charltonh> I think there are two problems:  perhaps eclair/LNW is unable to work with c-lightning at the moment on routing payments.
20:21 < charltonh> Yalls is probably another deal though.  It seemed to try several different paths and they all failed.
20:22 < charltonh> I wonder if the problem is on yalls' side...
20:22 < charltonh> The article I was trying to pay is here:  https://yalls.org/articles/97d67df1-d721-417d-a6c0-11d793739be9:0965AC5E-56CD-4870-9041-E69616660E6F/c4e7815d-136d-46a3-b81a-8c417d73f878
20:41 < charltonh> Ok, I was able to pay the article just now from my c-lightning node, and it was a dud.  :-/
20:43 < charltonh> The article that is.  Anyway the lightning network is very flaky these days, seemed like it used to be better.  Must be in flux with the new LND coming out or something.  I am not able to fault c-lightning though!
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