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08:04 <@niftynei> cdecker not sure how useful it'd be, but it'd be *cool* if you could set the db_writes consumer's db sql to a different variant than whatever c-lightning is running
08:04 <@niftynei> idky you'd want to do that though
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10:47 <@cdecker> niftynei: that'd involve rewriting the queries in the consuming plugin. Doable, but likely to be a lot of work, since the mapping needs to be undone on the restore path as well
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11:56 < harding> cdecker: saw your tweet but I don't see 0.7.2.1 on the GitHub releases page.  (I see the tag, not teh release.)
12:03 <@cdecker> Right, I forgot the one thing I needed to do
12:03 <@cdecker> And it's public
12:03 <@cdecker> Sorry for the delay
12:03 <@cdecker> https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/releases/tag/v0.7.2.1
12:05 < harding> cdecker: thanks!
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18:15 <@niftynei> rusty: lexigraphical sorting for outputs is on the amount value and not it's represenation in hex, yes?
18:16 < rusty>  niftynei: ... yes, but it would be equivalent, in fact.
18:16 <@niftynei> i mean, that's how permute_outputs works but..
18:17 <@niftynei> not for little endian?
18:17 < rusty> Oh, no, little-endian maybe..
18:17 <@niftynei> yeah
18:17 <@niftynei> i
18:17 <@niftynei> sigh. ok
18:18 <@niftynei> just my 
18:18 <@niftynei> luck. lol. sorry, still getting used to this new keyboard.
18:25 < rusty> niftynei: NP.
18:26 < rusty> niftynei: BTW, lexographic ordering has its downsides.  You could sort by a SHA256(mutual-random-number || input num) if you wanted.
18:27 < rusty> (maybe mutual-random-number == two revocation_basepoints)
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18:28 < rusty> That looks "random" to the network, but still known to the parties.
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19:26 <@niftynei> really the only 'problematic' lexigraphical ordering is with output amounts; inputs are unique anyway and ordering by prev txid, vout is pretty
19:26 <@niftynei> *pretty straightforward
19:27 <@niftynei> with outputs, it can vary based on whether you're considering the little endian encoded amount or the actual value of the amount
19:28 < rusty> niftynei: sure, but it's distinctive onchain.  BlueMatt has argued it's better to randomize order, since that's harder to distinguish from bitcoind.
19:28 <@niftynei> ordering them by value is prettier, by little endian is more 'lexigraphical' imo
19:29 <@niftynei> ah i see. i didn't realize ordering was 'boutique' to lightning :)
19:29 <@niftynei> fixing this python ordering bug right now
19:54 < rusty> niftynei: my hero!  Thanks, that was quick, and nice commit msg too
19:55 < rusty> Did not know this changed in python 3.7, explains the discrepency!
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20:05 <@niftynei> that's bitten me a few times now >.<
20:06 <@niftynei> upside of the fix is that we're more robust RFC level misordering :) 
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22:50 < tiredauto9> anyone here?
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