--- Log opened Sun Sep 29 00:00:24 2019 00:37 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #c-lightning 00:37 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:38 -!- rafalcpp_ [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 00:42 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #c-lightning 00:49 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e35:8aba:8220:6627:dad:d967:649d] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:26 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:27 -!- rafalcpp_ [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #c-lightning 01:27 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:32 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #c-lightning 01:37 -!- jonatack [~jon@54.76.13.109.rev.sfr.net] has joined #c-lightning 01:43 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:50 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #c-lightning 01:50 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:50 -!- rafalcpp_ [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:57 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #c-lightning 02:02 -!- blockstream_bot [blockstrea@gateway/shell/sameroom/x-dkyzthxwqfvzkdrd] has left #c-lightning [] 02:02 -!- blockstream_bot [blockstrea@gateway/shell/sameroom/x-dkyzthxwqfvzkdrd] has joined #c-lightning 02:14 -!- alko89 [~alko@cpe-92-37-24-198.dynamic.amis.net] has joined #c-lightning 02:18 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:19 -!- rafalcpp_ [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #c-lightning 02:20 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:23 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #c-lightning 02:37 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:37 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #c-lightning 02:37 -!- rafalcpp_ [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 02:40 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #c-lightning 03:21 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:22 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:22 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #c-lightning 03:28 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #c-lightning 03:38 -!- ctrlbreak_MAD [~ctrlbreak@142.134.84.46] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:38 -!- ctrlbreak_MAD [~ctrlbreak@142.134.84.46] has joined #c-lightning 04:05 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:05 -!- jonatack [~jon@54.76.13.109.rev.sfr.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:06 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has joined #c-lightning 04:35 -!- Amperture [~amp@65.79.129.113] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:36 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:36 -!- rafalcpp_ [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #c-lightning 04:36 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:39 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #c-lightning 05:19 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e35:8aba:8220:6627:dad:d967:649d] has joined #c-lightning 05:27 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:28 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #c-lightning 05:28 -!- rafalcpp_ [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 05:32 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #c-lightning 05:48 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:49 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #c-lightning 06:36 < sword_smith> How are LN transactions uniquely identified? I am using c-lightning and I am looking for something equivalent to txid but for offchain transactions. 06:37 < sword_smith> Is it payment_hash which is printed after I call `lightning-cli pay `? 06:39 < sword_smith> I guess I can get the payment_hash if I call `lightning-cli paystatus `. 06:41 -!- cryptosoap [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:43 -!- cryptosoap [~cryptosoa@gateway/tor-sasl/cryptosoap] has joined #c-lightning 06:47 < darosior7> sword_smith: "How are LN transactions uniquely identified? I am using c-lightning and I am looking for something equivalent to txid but for offchain transactions." => You can identify transactions thanks to the payment hash, however you cannot identify others transactions since there not broadcasted as in Bitcoin, thus there is no such thing as a 06:47 < darosior7> txid. This is more a proof of payment. 06:48 < darosior7> Rectification: it is a proof of payment if you also got the preimage 06:49 -!- ghost43_ [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #c-lightning 06:49 < darosior7> For example if you run `listsendpays` you'll see the preimage for completed payments but not for failed payments. 06:50 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:50 < sword_smith> darosior7: Right now I am only implementing outgoing payments. 06:50 < sword_smith> I guess I am just looking for a unique identifier 06:50 < darosior7> cryptapus: a tool will soon be ready to check for them https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/pull/3114 06:50 < sword_smith> That will be unique for both ingoing and outgoing transactions. 06:51 < darosior7> sword_smith: that's the payment_hash then 06:51 < sword_smith> Excellent. 06:57 < sword_smith> Just out of curiosity: How are the payment_hash and payment_preimage calculated? I guess they are related to the txids if the resulting transaction were to close the channel? 07:29 < alko89> hi. I was trying out sendinvoiceless plugin for c-lightning and I opened a channel with a node and send some sats there. I noticed the fee was larger than when using an invoice 07:29 < alko89> is this expected? 07:30 < alko89> is there a better way to send without an invoice? 07:30 <@cdecker> Yes, the way the sendinvoiceless plugin does its thing is by computing a circular route from you to the recipient and then back to you, doubling the fees required basically 07:31 <@cdecker> We are working on standardizing the spontaneous payment so that this is no longer required, but we're waiting on the spec team to agree on a construction 07:36 < alko89> ok, so this will eventaully be in the node itself, not requiring a plugin? 07:36 <@cdecker> Exactly 07:38 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:38 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:39 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #c-lightning 07:40 < alko89> this is probably a stupid question, but: Is there other way to stream money to someone on lightning or is that still not possible because of this feature? I have read an article this is already possible on lightning 07:40 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #c-lightning 08:05 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:06 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #c-lightning 08:06 -!- rafalcpp_ [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #c-lightning 08:07 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:07 <@cdecker> There is currently no standardized way of streaming payments, no 08:07 <@cdecker> We do have an experimental branch (stepan-pay) that I meant to clean up for a while now 08:08 <@cdecker> lnd also have what's called sphinx-send, which is also not spec-compliant 08:08 <@cdecker> (both will only work with matching versions on the receiving end) 08:14 -!- userelphi [~userelphi@134.19.179.171] has joined #c-lightning 08:25 -!- userelphi [~userelphi@134.19.179.171] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:35 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:37 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #c-lightning 08:37 -!- rafalcpp_ [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:38 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #c-lightning 08:40 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:41 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has joined #c-lightning 08:42 -!- userelphi [~userelphi@gateway/tor-sasl/userelphi] has joined #c-lightning 08:45 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:45 -!- rafalcpp_ [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #c-lightning 08:45 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:48 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #c-lightning 08:54 * userelphi hi, asking for a friend :-), can we add the base64 branch of orig ccan in ccan/ccan/str ? 08:59 -!- userelphi is now known as saibato 09:00 -!- bitdex [~bitdex@gateway/tor-sasl/bitdex] has joined #c-lightning 09:08 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@208.59.170.5] has joined #c-lightning 09:30 -!- saibato [~userelphi@gateway/tor-sasl/userelphi] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.6] 09:31 -!- saibato [~userelphi@gateway/tor-sasl/userelphi] has joined #c-lightning 09:32 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@208.59.170.5] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:41 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:43 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #c-lightning 09:43 -!- rafalcpp_ [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:44 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #c-lightning 10:01 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:02 -!- Amperture [~amp@65.79.129.113] has joined #c-lightning 10:02 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:03 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #c-lightning 10:04 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #c-lightning 10:11 -!- blockstream_bot [blockstrea@gateway/shell/sameroom/x-dkyzthxwqfvzkdrd] has left #c-lightning [] 10:11 -!- blockstream_bot [blockstrea@gateway/shell/sameroom/x-dkyzthxwqfvzkdrd] has joined #c-lightning 10:12 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:13 -!- rafalcpp_ [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #c-lightning 10:14 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:18 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #c-lightning 10:29 -!- Victor_sueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has joined #c-lightning 10:30 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:35 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #c-lightning 10:36 -!- rafalcpp_ [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:43 -!- saibato [~userelphi@gateway/tor-sasl/userelphi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:57 -!- blockstream_bot [blockstrea@gateway/shell/sameroom/x-dkyzthxwqfvzkdrd] has left #c-lightning [] 10:57 -!- blockstream_bot [blockstrea@gateway/shell/sameroom/x-dkyzthxwqfvzkdrd] has joined #c-lightning 10:59 < darosior7> sword_smith: the payment_preimage is generated by the payee. It then gives the hash of this preimage (payment_hash) to the payer, which constructs an HTLC with a peer. Each peer involved in the route from the payer to the payee does the same, with the same hash. In order to recover its funds, the payee reveals the preimage to its direct peer, which 10:59 < darosior7> does the same with its peer, etc... all the way back to the payer along the route. Once the payer has the preimage it means that the payment was successfully sent, i.e. the HTLC were succesfully added then resolved along the route. 11:30 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:32 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:32 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #c-lightning 11:35 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #c-lightning 11:57 -!- saibato [~userelphi@gateway/tor-sasl/userelphi] has joined #c-lightning 11:58 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:59 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #c-lightning 11:59 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:00 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #c-lightning 12:02 -!- saibato [~userelphi@gateway/tor-sasl/userelphi] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:28 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 12:29 -!- rafalcpp_ [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #c-lightning 12:29 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:32 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #c-lightning 16:03 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:08 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has joined #c-lightning 16:13 -!- Victor_sueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:16 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has joined #c-lightning 16:44 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #c-lightning 17:19 -!- ghost43_ is now known as ghost43 17:59 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 18:01 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #c-lightning 18:01 -!- rafalcpp_ [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:02 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #c-lightning 19:10 -!- blockstream_bot [blockstrea@gateway/shell/sameroom/x-dkyzthxwqfvzkdrd] has left #c-lightning [] 19:10 -!- blockstream_bot [blockstrea@gateway/shell/sameroom/x-dkyzthxwqfvzkdrd] has joined #c-lightning 19:14 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:15 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has joined #c-lightning 19:33 -!- gwillen [~gwillen@unaffiliated/gwillen] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:33 -!- gwillen [~gwillen@unaffiliated/gwillen] has joined #c-lightning 19:41 -!- gwillen [~gwillen@unaffiliated/gwillen] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:42 -!- gwillen [~gwillen@unaffiliated/gwillen] has joined #c-lightning 20:39 -!- gwillen [~gwillen@unaffiliated/gwillen] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:39 -!- gwillen [~gwillen@unaffiliated/gwillen] has joined #c-lightning 21:08 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:08 -!- rafalcpp_ [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #c-lightning 21:09 -!- rafalcpp [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 21:13 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #c-lightning 21:38 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:50 -!- achow101 [~achow101@unaffiliated/achow101] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.7.2+deb1+xenial2 - https://znc.in] 22:52 -!- achow101 [~achow101@unaffiliated/achow101] has joined #c-lightning 23:26 -!- saibato [~userelphi@gateway/tor-sasl/userelphi] has joined #c-lightning 23:36 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:37 -!- rafalcpp_ [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:37 -!- rafalcpp_ [~racalcppp@84-10-11-234.static.chello.pl] has joined #c-lightning 23:42 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #c-lightning --- Log closed Mon Sep 30 00:00:25 2019