--- Log opened Mon Sep 07 00:00:13 2020 00:00 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #c-lightning 00:27 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #c-lightning 00:31 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:32 -!- zmnscpxj_ [~zmnscpxj@gateway/tor-sasl/zmnscpxj] has joined #c-lightning 00:37 -!- az0re [~az0re@gateway/tor-sasl/az0re] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:42 -!- k3tan [~pi@gateway/tor-sasl/k3tan] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:43 -!- k3tan [~pi@gateway/tor-sasl/k3tan] has joined #c-lightning 00:46 -!- skme9_ [~skme9@2402:3a80:688:e319:a95f:d0c4:1c73:6a05] has joined #c-lightning 00:48 -!- skme9 [~skme9@2402:3a80:694:8b3d:5027:f9b7:814a:e768] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:58 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:32 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #c-lightning 01:41 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 01:52 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:08 -!- vincenzopalazzo [~vincent@host-79-23-116-18.retail.telecomitalia.it] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:38 -!- mrostecki [~mrostecki@gateway/tor-sasl/mrostecki] has joined #c-lightning 02:50 -!- liberliver [~Thunderbi@x2f7fb05.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #c-lightning 03:05 -!- zmnscpxj_ [~zmnscpxj@gateway/tor-sasl/zmnscpxj] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:06 -!- liberliver [~Thunderbi@x2f7fb05.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:11 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #c-lightning 03:13 -!- zmnscpxj_ [~zmnscpxj@gateway/tor-sasl/zmnscpxj] has joined #c-lightning 03:23 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.171.223.85] has joined #c-lightning 03:24 -!- liberliver [~Thunderbi@x2f7fb05.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #c-lightning 03:24 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has joined #c-lightning 03:41 -!- k3tan172 [~pi@gateway/tor-sasl/k3tan] has joined #c-lightning 03:43 -!- k3tan [~pi@gateway/tor-sasl/k3tan] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:56 -!- liberliver [~Thunderbi@x2f7fb05.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:56 -!- liberliver [~Thunderbi@x2f7fa4b.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #c-lightning 03:59 -!- vasild [~vd@gateway/tor-sasl/vasild] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:06 -!- vasild [~vd@gateway/tor-sasl/vasild] has joined #c-lightning 05:13 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 05:17 -!- Victor_sueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has joined #c-lightning 05:20 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:25 -!- Victor_sueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:26 -!- Victor_sueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has joined #c-lightning 05:26 -!- Victor_sueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:28 -!- Victor_sueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has joined #c-lightning 05:35 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has joined #c-lightning 05:36 -!- Victor_sueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:37 -!- jonatack [~jon@37.171.223.85] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:58 -!- blockstream_bot [blockstrea@gateway/shell/sameroom/x-zzgbwiizjmpgirfq] has left #c-lightning [] 06:58 -!- blockstream_bot [blockstrea@gateway/shell/sameroom/x-zzgbwiizjmpgirfq] has joined #c-lightning 07:00 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@208.59.170.5] has joined #c-lightning 07:45 < jasan> Just a reminder: there should be a meeting tonight (22:00 EU time) 07:48 -!- liberliver [~Thunderbi@x2f7fa4b.dyn.telefonica.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:04 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@208.59.170.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:08 -!- shesek [~shesek@unaffiliated/shesek] has joined #c-lightning 08:25 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has joined #c-lightning 08:26 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #c-lightning 09:13 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:21 -!- mrostecki_ [~mrostecki@gateway/tor-sasl/mrostecki] has joined #c-lightning 09:21 -!- zmnscpxj_ [~zmnscpxj@gateway/tor-sasl/zmnscpxj] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:23 -!- mrostecki [~mrostecki@gateway/tor-sasl/mrostecki] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:03 -!- skme9_ [~skme9@2402:3a80:688:e319:a95f:d0c4:1c73:6a05] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:07 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #c-lightning 10:23 -!- kristapsk [~KK@gateway/tor-sasl/kristapsk] has joined #c-lightning 10:44 < jasan> Ah, the meeting starts at 05:30 Australia/Adelaide timezone. See https://clock.bublina.eu.org/australia/adelaide/ for a non-tracking exact time. 10:52 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:54 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@208.59.170.5] has joined #c-lightning 10:58 -!- sr_gi [~sr_gi@static-75-213-224-77.ipcom.comunitel.net] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:58 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@208.59.170.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:00 < jasan> Whatever your timezone is, the meeting should start in 2 hours from now… =) 11:08 -!- az0re [~az0re@gateway/tor-sasl/az0re] has joined #c-lightning 11:11 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #c-lightning 11:16 < m-schmoock> in one or two hours :D 11:22 < az0re> Sorry, was away. Re-asking: 11:22 < az0re> Reading lnd's "Safety" document (https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lnd/blob/master/docs/safety.md) got me pretty freaked out. It sounds very fragile. Is c-lightning fragile? My impression is that eclair is anti-fragile; at least they use SQLite and talk about frequent db backups. 11:51 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #c-lightning 12:00 < m-schmoock> I would argue we also use SQLite :D 12:01 < m-schmoock> never lost funds having clnd running for over a year with multiple major upgrades in between 12:01 < m-schmoock> but thats 'just me' 12:06 < az0re> I got it built and running and saw some files with sqlite3 extension 12:07 <@cdecker> az0re: we have fewer experimental bits in c-lightning (we don't have an esoteric derivation scheme, just a secret file, we use proven SQL databases for data storage, we have well-defined boundaries between daemons) 12:08 < az0re> One thing in particular that worries me is corruption from sudden halts: sudden power-offs, SIGINT/SIGKILL, etc. 12:09 < az0re> Is that a potential problem or is c-lightning robust to those kinds of failures? 12:09 < az0re> So far I've been able to SIGINT the process with seemingly no ill effects, which is encouraging. But I don't have any channels open yet. 12:10 <@cdecker> az0re: absolutely, the database is kept in a consistent state via DB transactions that are committed to the file system before anything dangerous happens 12:10 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has quit [Quit: Gone frying asparagus or my Windows had a BSOD] 12:11 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has joined #c-lightning 12:11 <@cdecker> By dangerous I mean that we commit to the change by communicating with a peer or with the bitcoin network 12:11 < az0re> I see 12:11 -!- liberliver [~Thunderbi@2a01:c23:642a:3e00:a2af:bdff:fe37:2d32] has joined #c-lightning 12:12 <@cdecker> Many of the safety things listed on that page are simply not applicable to c-lightning because we don't mandate the use of lots of that additional surface 12:12 < az0re> And there's no potential for the DB to be left in an inconsistent state that lightningd can't recover from? 12:12 <@cdecker> We can't guard against hardware issues with the storage medium on which the DB resides, but the DB is always in a consistent state 12:12 < az0re> OK cool beans 12:12 < az0re> Thanks a lot 12:13 <@cdecker> No problem, sorry for not replying the first time around, but I only saw the questions after you had left :-) 12:13 < az0re> Yeah no worries 12:13 < az0re> IRC is supposed to be optionally-synchronous 12:14 <@cdecker> Hehe, I like that description 👍 12:15 < az0re> Now, to find someone willing to open a bidirectional channel... 12:19 -!- liberliver1 [~Thunderbi@144.49.211.130.bc.googleusercontent.com] has joined #c-lightning 12:20 < az0re> By the way, I don't see from the `help` output: How can I list all the addresses I've generated with `newaddr`? I see `listfunds`, but that doesn't show me addresses without any associated funds. 12:20 <@cdecker> Bidirectional? All channels are bidirectional. Did you mean balanced? 12:20 < az0re> `dev-listaddrs`? 12:20 < az0re> Yes, I suppose so 12:21 < az0re> I'm new to lightning, obviously 12:21 < az0re> Not fully up on the jargon 12:21 <@cdecker> If you compile with `DEVELOPER=1` you get more commands. One of them is `dev-listaddrs`. It's not there by default because we haven't stabilized it's format yet 12:21 -!- liberliver [~Thunderbi@2a01:c23:642a:3e00:a2af:bdff:fe37:2d32] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 12:21 -!- liberliver1 is now known as liberliver 12:21 < az0re> I see. Yeah, I get the list of addresses now. Cool. 12:30 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@208.59.170.5] has joined #c-lightning 12:35 -!- mdunnio [~mdunnio@208.59.170.5] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:36 -!- vincenzopalazzo [~vincent@host-79-35-119-77.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #c-lightning 12:58 <@niftynei> sort of late to the travis party, but i've had it drop my 'restart rights before' -- i think it's a travis side issue. there's a way to refresh your github connection/integration with travis that might fix it 12:59 < m-schmoock> niftynei: tried that, didnt heĺp :/ 12:59 < rusty> Hi everyone! 12:59 < rusty> https://meet.jit.si/CLightning-Open-Meeting if you want face-to-face! 12:59 < m-schmoock> :D 12:59 <@niftynei> hello hello! 13:02 < m-schmoock> my audio input is broken 13:02 < m-schmoock> its not muted. im working on it :D 13:02 < m-schmoock> I always call pulseaudio the random sound daemon 13:05 < jasan> pulseaudio -D 13:05 < jasan> from command line (that's what I had to run) 13:15 < jasan> https://1ml.com/node/024b9a1fa8e006f1e3937f65f66c408e6da8e1ca728ea43222a7381df1cc449605 ? 13:15 < jasan> Node: BLUEIRON-v0.9.0-176-gf598517 13:16 < jasan> https://1ml.com/testnet/node/031a3478d481b92e3c28810228252898c5f0d82fc4d07f5210c4f34d4aba56b769 13:17 < jasan> Node: SLICKERMASTER-40-gd7ff74e-moddedFollow 13:21 < jasan> Towards measuring anonymity 13:26 <@niftynei> paper link https://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F3-540-36467-6_5 13:27 < jasan> niftynei: thanks! 13:33 < m-schmoock> ill get my audio fixed :D 13:33 < rusty> Yes, they're my nodes :) 13:34 <@cdecker> No problem, it was great to see you, looking forward to next time ^^ 13:34 <@niftynei> quick summary for those who missed: we're working towards an RC release cut this week, things tagged 0.9.1 are slated to try to make it in 13:34 < m-schmoock> pulse audio started to f*** things up today. it messes with the input sources and the browser renders an error 13:34 <@niftynei> things tagged Next Version aren't going to make it 13:34 <@niftynei> there's a bunch of PRs outstanding that could use review, help welcome 13:34 < m-schmoock> cdecker: do we want the 3960 tagged? 13:35 <@niftynei> rusty is going to publish a google doc with our Big Goals for c-lightning over the next few months 13:35 < m-schmoock> ... and I figured using jitsy on mobile in webbrowser is close to not working 13:35 <@cdecker> Sounds like a good idea m-schmoock 13:36 <@niftynei> niftynei is looking to get #3889 and #3961 resolved before the release is cut 13:36 <@niftynei> cdecker is retiring from paper reading 13:36 <@niftynei> (and has no big work planned to land before the RC is cut; looking into optimizing initial block downloads) 13:37 <@niftynei> bit h/t to jasan and m-schmoock for hanging out this week, hope more people are able to join next time, which will be two weeks from today at the same time 13:38 <@niftynei> :s/bit/big 13:38 < jasan> thank you for a nice summary! 13:38 < jasan> what is 'h/t'? 13:38 < m-schmoock> since I quit my job, I have more time now :D 13:38 <@niftynei> h/t -- hat-tip :) 13:44 < rusty> m-schmoock: merged! 13:45 < m-schmoock> yay 13:46 < m-schmoock> so we have the first tick in a box on 3550 checklist 14:03 -!- Victor_sueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has joined #c-lightning 14:05 -!- Victorsueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:15 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:23 < rusty> OK, I reenabled the wiki on https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/wiki for people to roadmap (is that a verb?) 14:25 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 14:26 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #c-lightning 14:29 -!- kristapsk [~KK@gateway/tor-sasl/kristapsk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:29 -!- kristapsk [~KK@gateway/tor-sasl/kristapsk] has joined #c-lightning 14:32 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:32 -!- kristapsk [~KK@gateway/tor-sasl/kristapsk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:35 -!- kristapsk [~KK@gateway/tor-sasl/kristapsk] has joined #c-lightning 14:40 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:40 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #c-lightning 14:50 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #c-lightning 14:53 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:54 -!- Dean_Guss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #c-lightning 15:01 -!- kristapsk [~KK@gateway/tor-sasl/kristapsk] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:01 -!- kristapsk [~KK@gateway/tor-sasl/kristapsk] has joined #c-lightning 15:08 -!- zmnscpxj_ [~zmnscpxj@gateway/tor-sasl/zmnscpxj] has joined #c-lightning 15:18 -!- blockstream_bot [blockstrea@gateway/shell/sameroom/x-zzgbwiizjmpgirfq] has left #c-lightning [] 15:19 -!- blockstream_bot [blockstrea@gateway/shell/sameroom/x-zzgbwiizjmpgirfq] has joined #c-lightning 15:42 -!- az0re [~az0re@gateway/tor-sasl/az0re] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:59 -!- vasild [~vd@gateway/tor-sasl/vasild] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:06 -!- vasild [~vd@gateway/tor-sasl/vasild] has joined #c-lightning 16:09 -!- az0re [~az0re@gateway/tor-sasl/az0re] has joined #c-lightning 16:15 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:15 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:16 -!- rh0nj [~rh0nj@88.99.167.175] has joined #c-lightning 16:22 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #c-lightning 16:36 -!- Victor_sueca [~Victorsue@unaffiliated/victorsueca] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:42 < az0re> Anyone interested in opening channels to each other of a few hundred ksats? Send me a /msg if so 16:53 -!- tigermousr_ [~tigermous@unaffiliated/tigermousr] has joined #c-lightning 16:54 -!- tigermousr [~tigermous@unaffiliated/tigermousr] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:55 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #c-lightning 16:57 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:12 < rusty> niftynei: you around today? 17:32 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has left #c-lightning [] 17:34 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #c-lightning 17:36 -!- kanzure [~kanzure@unaffiliated/kanzure] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:37 < rusty> zmnscpxj_: around? 17:37 -!- kanzure [~kanzure@unaffiliated/kanzure] has joined #c-lightning 17:40 -!- queip [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #c-lightning 18:00 -!- Teoti [~teoti@104-222-118-26.cpe.teksavvy.com] has joined #c-lightning 18:12 -!- berndj [~berndj@ns1.linksynergy.co.za] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:12 -!- berndj [~berndj@ns1.linksynergy.co.za] has joined #c-lightning 18:36 -!- grubles [~unknown@unaffiliated/grubles] has joined #c-lightning 18:38 -!- skme9 [~skme9@2402:3a80:6bd:e69f:6998:f62e:86c4:f498] has joined #c-lightning 19:17 < zmnscpxj_> sorry, was asleep 19:23 < grubles> argh i almost successfully built on openbsd 19:38 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:56 -!- vadorovsky__ [~mrostecki@gateway/tor-sasl/mrostecki] has joined #c-lightning 19:59 -!- mrostecki_ [~mrostecki@gateway/tor-sasl/mrostecki] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:02 < rusty> zmnscpxj_: that's OK, just rebasing one of your PRs now. 20:02 < rusty> (RC1 scheduled for the 10th...) 20:18 < rusty> zmnscpxj_: I have some cleanup comments for https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/pull/3763, want me to just append some proposals? 20:18 < zmnscpxj_> ok 20:24 < rusty> zmnscpxj_: in particular I disagree with last week's rusty who suggested "best_effort" as a flag. I like "min_channels" instead, so you can define the minimum remaining before giving up/ 20:25 < zmnscpxj_> ok 20:38 -!- vadorovsky__ [~mrostecki@gateway/tor-sasl/mrostecki] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:38 -!- vadorovsky__ [~mrostecki@gateway/tor-sasl/mrostecki] has joined #c-lightning 20:46 < rusty> zmnscpxj_: but would appreciate review on https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/pull/3980 if you have time? 21:07 -!- az0re [~az0re@gateway/tor-sasl/az0re] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:24 < rusty> zmnscpxj_: ok, pushed on top of https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/pull/3763, can rebase and smerge later if you're happy with those changes. 22:30 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 22:49 -!- az0re [~az0re@gateway/tor-sasl/az0re] has joined #c-lightning 22:56 < az0re> Is there an equivalent to `listchannels` but only showing channels you're a part of? I guess that's `listpeers`? Also, how can I find my total spendable and receivable amounts? It's not shown in `listfunds`, but the "channel" items in `listpeers` has both "spendable_msat" and "spendable_msatoshi". 22:57 < az0re> (That's another issue: why the duplication there?) 22:57 < zmnscpxj_> plugins repo contains a `summary` plugin 22:58 < zmnscpxj_> the duplication is due to API deprecation. we classically used `spendable_msatoshi`, then switched to `spendable_msat` with explicit `"msat"` suffixes 22:58 < zmnscpxj_> eventually the numbers-only will be removed. 22:58 < az0re> I see, thanks 23:02 < az0re> Just to confirm: `shutdown` just does a graceful shutdown of lightningd and does not close any channels. Correct? 23:02 < az0re> (sorry for all the noob questions) 23:02 < zmnscpxj_> yes 23:02 < az0re> Great 23:14 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #c-lightning 23:17 -!- jonatack [~jon@2a01:e0a:53c:a200:bb54:3be5:c3d0:9ce5] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:33 -!- blockstream_bot [blockstrea@gateway/shell/sameroom/x-zzgbwiizjmpgirfq] has left #c-lightning [] 23:33 -!- blockstream_bot [blockstrea@gateway/shell/sameroom/x-zzgbwiizjmpgirfq] has joined #c-lightning 23:52 -!- skme9 [~skme9@2402:3a80:6bd:e69f:6998:f62e:86c4:f498] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] --- Log closed Tue Sep 08 00:00:12 2020