--- Log opened Fri Oct 23 00:00:55 2020 00:20 -!- liberliver [~Thunderbi@144.49.211.130.bc.googleusercontent.com] has joined #c-lightning 00:35 -!- kabaum [~kabaum@h-13-35.A163.priv.bahnhof.se] has joined #c-lightning 00:44 -!- jonatack [~jon@213.152.161.170] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:51 -!- mrostecki_ [~mrostecki@gateway/tor-sasl/mrostecki] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:22 -!- wxss [~user@mail.deeplinkmedia.com] has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:23 -!- wxss [~user@mail.deeplinkmedia.com] has joined #c-lightning 01:29 -!- jonatack [~jon@213.152.162.74] has joined #c-lightning 01:31 -!- belcher_ [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #c-lightning 01:35 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:06 -!- jasan [~jasan@just.do.nothing.bublina.eu.org] has joined #c-lightning 02:07 < jasan> Next meeting on Nov 2 (Monday) 02:55 -!- zmnscpxj__ [~zmnscpxj@gateway/tor-sasl/zmnscpxj] has joined #c-lightning 03:11 -!- vasild 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C-lightning implementation: https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning https://lists.ozlabs.org/listinfo/c-lightning Current Version: https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/releases/tag/v0.9.1 Logs at http://gnusha.org/c-lightning/ Dev Roadmap: https://github.com/ElementsProject/lightning/wiki 09:51 -!- harding_ [quassel@2600:3c03::f03c:91ff:fe7b:78d1] has joined #c-lightning 09:52 -!- willcl_ark_ [~quassel@cpc123762-trow7-2-0-cust7.18-1.cable.virginm.net] has joined #c-lightning 09:57 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Ed0, harding, mrostecki, k3tan, paultroon, az0re, ghost43_, kristapsk, cryptosoap, zmnscpxj_, (+4 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them) 10:05 -!- Netsplit over, joins: Ed0 10:10 -!- ctrlbreak_MAD [~ctrlbreak@159.2.182.106] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:10 -!- ctrlbreak_MAD [~ctrlbreak@159.2.182.106] has joined #c-lightning 10:20 -!- kabaum [~kabaum@ua-84-216-128-32.bbcust.telenor.se] has joined #c-lightning 10:29 -!- cryptosoap 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[blockstrea@gateway/shell/sameroom/x-zzgbwiizjmpgirfq] has joined #c-lightning 13:35 -!- jtimon [~quassel@146.228.11.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:36 -!- jb55 [~jb55@gateway/tor-sasl/jb55] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:40 -!- jb55 [~jb55@gateway/tor-sasl/jb55] has joined #c-lightning 13:44 -!- berndj-blackout [~berndj@ns1.linksynergy.co.za] has joined #c-lightning 13:45 -!- queip_ [~queip@unaffiliated/rezurus] has joined #c-lightning 13:50 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: queip, nothingmuch, berndj 13:50 -!- berndj-blackout is now known as berndj 13:50 -!- Netsplit over, joins: nothingmuch 13:51 -!- queip_ is now known as queip 13:55 -!- kristapsk [~KK@gateway/tor-sasl/kristapsk] has joined #c-lightning 14:04 -!- az0re [~az0re@gateway/tor-sasl/az0re] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:26 -!- az0re [~az0re@gateway/tor-sasl/az0re] has joined #c-lightning 15:10 -!- vasild [~vd@gateway/tor-sasl/vasild] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:12 -!- vasild [~vd@gateway/tor-sasl/vasild] has joined #c-lightning 15:36 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:39 < HelloShitty> Hello 15:39 < HelloShitty> thanks for clearing that to me niftynei ... About the seuence of commands for fundchannel 15:40 < HelloShitty> Can we check if our node was already used to forward/route any transaction? 15:48 -!- ctrlbreak_MAD [~ctrlbreak@159.2.182.106] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:49 -!- ctrlbreak_MAD [~ctrlbreak@159.2.182.106] has joined #c-lightning 16:09 < az0re> HelloShitty: Can't you use `listforwards`? 16:10 < HelloShitty> Is that what that command is used for? 16:10 < HelloShitty> sure, I can 16:10 < HelloShitty> let me see what comes out 16:10 < HelloShitty> empty array 16:10 < HelloShitty> lol 16:10 < HelloShitty> Not even my own transactions? 16:11 < az0re> No, that would be `listpays` 16:15 < HelloShitty> sad that my node has been useless so far yet. :p 16:15 < az0re> How many public channels do you have, approximately? 16:15 < az0re> With capacity >250ksat 16:15 < HelloShitty> 0 16:15 < HelloShitty> lol 16:15 < HelloShitty> I have 1 channel (inbound) of 100k sats 16:16 < HelloShitty> 2 outbound of 50k sats each 16:16 < HelloShitty> and 1 outbound of 20k sats 16:16 < az0re> Ah well then that's not too surprising 16:16 < HelloShitty> ok 16:16 < HelloShitty> I'll have to create a bigger one then 16:17 < az0re> TBH I think less than 750ksat is just not worth it, profit wise 16:17 < HelloShitty> Can I still set an address as destination of my sats of closed channels even if I didn't use the fundchannel_start and fundchannel_complete in the first place? 16:18 < az0re> And frankly you probably want 5Msat or more if you're actually looking to make money consistently 16:18 < HelloShitty> ok 16:18 < az0re> Mmmm not sure what you mean 16:18 < az0re> But in `listpeers` you can see the address the commitment transaction will use to give you your balance onchain 16:19 < HelloShitty> The channels I have opened so far, I used fundchannel command directly 16:19 < HelloShitty> so, there were a few new addresses kinda added to my node 16:19 < HelloShitty> and it's making me to stress out because I feel I'm gonna end up with sats spread all over the place 16:20 < HelloShitty> and I would like to keep things under my control, instead of creating and using addresses like crazy when one do things like blindly by using the easy commands 16:20 < az0re> What else would you do? Re-use the same address? 16:21 < HelloShitty> For small amounts, yes 16:21 < az0re> That's just bad practice 16:21 < az0re> Why are you worried about it, anyway? 16:21 < HelloShitty> and I have the habit of having only 2 or 3 addresses for bigger amounts in an offline node 16:22 < HelloShitty> and when I need to move BTC, I create the raw transactions by hand in my online node, sign them in my offline node, and broadcast them in my online node 16:22 < az0re> Just use an HD wallet 16:22 < HelloShitty> so PK is never exposed 16:22 < az0re> I'm 99% sure c-lightning uses an HD wallet 16:23 < HelloShitty> another thing I'm not liking is the fact that I cannot match what listfunds shows me and what Spark-Wallet shows me about the funds I still have 16:23 < az0re> And yet, assuming P2PKH, you publish your public key and leave it vulnerable to quantum attack 16:23 < HelloShitty> I'm using bech32 addresses 16:23 < az0re> But if you use a new address every time, you do not 16:24 < HelloShitty> yes, I understand that 16:24 < HelloShitty> But I only reuse addresses for small amounts 16:24 < HelloShitty> the bigger slice of my hodlings are in offline node 16:25 < HelloShitty> and I never expose my PK with which I sign transactions 16:26 < HelloShitty> Anyways, this is another issue I don't like to live with 16:26 < HelloShitty> listfunds says things different from what my Spark-Wallet says 16:26 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #c-lightning 16:26 < az0re> Same deal for P2WPKH 16:27 < az0re> Fair enough 16:27 < az0re> You do you 16:27 < HelloShitty> And Quantum attacks are not that feasible yet, I guess 16:27 < HelloShitty> It's stupidly expensive to mantain a quantum computer 16:27 < az0re> Sure 16:28 < HelloShitty> and I'm not even taking into account the amout of know-how and expertise you need to build one 16:29 < HelloShitty> Anyways, how much is 5M sats? 16:29 < HelloShitty> is it 0.005 BTC? 16:29 < az0re> 0.05 16:29 < az0re> 100Msat per BTC 16:29 < HelloShitty> ah yeah, that's it 16:30 < az0re> Anyway, just backup your c-lightning HD wallet and you'll be fine 16:30 < az0re> No need to worry about losing funds 16:30 < HelloShitty> yeah 16:46 < az0re> Anyway, just backup your c-lightning HD wallet and you'll be fine 16:47 < az0re> It bears mentioning, though, that this applies only to *onchain* funds--if your node is permanently offline or the disk fails, etc. you will lose funds 16:50 < HelloShitty> yeah, that's bad though 16:50 < az0re> https://github.com/lightningnetwork/lightning-rfc/blob/master/05-onchain.md#revoked-transaction-close-handling 16:51 < az0re> No doubt 16:51 < HelloShitty> Please confirm with me if that link describes this scenario (on my own words): 16:52 < az0re> I think maybe that should be updated to make clear that loss of funds can also come in the form of fees for onchain HTLC resolution 16:53 < HelloShitty> you have an open channel to someone -> you try to send/receive some transaction -> your node goes offline before the transaction is complete -> after some time your node comes back online and tries to rebroadcast the transaction 16:53 < HelloShitty> the other nodes sees this as a fraudulent transaction and they can claim all the funds on that channel? 16:53 < HelloShitty> Is it something like that? 16:56 < az0re> I am not technically read-in enough to answer with any certainty 16:57 < az0re> But the section "HTLC Output Handling: Remote Commitment, Remote Offers" seems relevant 17:07 < HelloShitty> oki, thanks 17:17 -!- vasild [~vd@gateway/tor-sasl/vasild] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:18 -!- vasild [~vd@gateway/tor-sasl/vasild] has joined #c-lightning 18:02 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:09 -!- justanotheruser [~justanoth@unaffiliated/justanotheruser] has joined #c-lightning 18:25 -!- harrigan [~harrigan@ptr-93-89-242-235.ip.airwire.ie] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.7.5 - https://znc.in] 18:27 -!- harrigan [~harrigan@ptr-93-89-242-235.ip.airwire.ie] has joined #c-lightning 21:02 -!- az0re [~az0re@gateway/tor-sasl/az0re] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:27 -!- az0re [~az0re@gateway/tor-sasl/az0re] has joined #c-lightning 21:32 -!- blockstream_bot [blockstrea@gateway/shell/sameroom/x-zzgbwiizjmpgirfq] has left #c-lightning [] 21:33 -!- blockstream_bot [blockstrea@gateway/shell/sameroom/x-zzgbwiizjmpgirfq] has joined #c-lightning 22:47 -!- aj [aj@cerulean.erisian.com.au] has quit [Quit: .] 23:21 -!- aj [aj@cerulean.erisian.com.au] has joined #c-lightning --- Log closed Sat Oct 24 00:00:56 2020