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08:48 < grubles> iirc the wallet-tool.py recover does not work on a pruned node, correct?
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09:32 < Giszmo> I assume, https://bitcoinmagazine.com/articles/coinjoin-combining-bitcoin-transactions-to-obfuscate-trails-and-increase-privacy-1465235087 got notice here during my absence?
09:33 < Giszmo> I gave Aaron my usual skepticism plus some points in favor of JM. Guess he will update the article.
09:34 < pigeons> no i dont think that article was discussed
09:35 < Giszmo> Me: "CJ Sudoku is addressed by JM by using same inputs/outputs", Aaron: "I didn't know joinmarket tackled that problem actually"
09:49 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato_] so, lately i get disconnected when i write stuff
09:49 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato_] test test
09:49 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato_] did my last line before these two show up?
09:54 < gmaxwell> oh damn, did he suggest otherwise? I didn't notice that in my review.
09:59 < waxwing> Giszmo: did you mean "by using same output *sizes*"? sudoku works for the non-coinjoin outputs, right. i discussed it a bit here: https://github.com/AdamISZ/JMPrivacyAnalysis/blob/master/tumbler_privacy.md#jmsudoku-coinjoin-sudoku-for-jmtxs
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10:29 < belcher_> grubles: its -rescan that doesnt work
10:29 < belcher_> it can be made to work, it involves redownloading some of the chain, see the joinmarket wiki where i wrote something useful about it
10:32 < belcher_> sudoku with input sizes could be dealt with by having makers announce their input sizes for takers to match with, as in https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/issues/229
10:34 < grubles> belcher_, i see. thx. 
10:45 < waxwing> belcher_: yeah, i never took it too seriously, but on second thoughts, if such a facility existed it might motivate people to deliberately create such utxos.
11:30 < waxwing> i have message channel collection working, and have done primitive tests with 2 irc servers, but the hard part comes next, figuring out a test framework that covers a reasonable range of situations.
11:30 < waxwing> https://github.com/AdamISZ/joinmarket/blob/mc-collection/joinmarket/message_channel.py
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12:12 < OverlordQ> guy keeps joining and asking for the exact same fill amount then never completes it
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12:27 < megadin> hi, is there a way to check how many transactions my yield generator was part of?
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12:28 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato_] megadin: either the .csv file in your logs-folder or use "python wallet-tool [walletfile] history"
12:29 < megadin> ok, ill check that. thanks!
12:29 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato_] np
12:32 < megadin> ok, it seems there are non transaction
12:32 < megadin> after running it for 12 hours :)
12:35 < megadin> which of the yield generators has the highest change to get taken?
12:35 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato_] quite possible. You can also find that easier if you check the logfile of your irc-name and use "cat <logfile> | grep earned"
12:36 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato_] depends on the takers. If they use defaults, it's a weighted probability by the cost of the yield gens
12:36 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato_] they could also use an option to choose the cheapest or pick manually
12:37 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato_] here's the orderbook, you can see there how cheap/expensive you're compared to others: https://joinmarket.me/ob/
12:38 < megadin> ok
12:39 < megadin> thanks a lot for the infos
12:39 < megadin> i have to tune my settings :)
12:39 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato_] 12 hours isnt that long though... i've had 12 hour periods with no transactions, i've sometimes seen 3 transactions in one hour
12:40 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato_] though, dont expect high returns. This is low risk, so the rewards are naturally low as well. Probably cant expect more than 0.5%-1% returns in a whole year
12:40 < megadin> yeah i know
12:42 < megadin> what is cjfee_a and cjfee_r ?
12:43 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato_] a = absolute fee, r = relative fee. Absolute charges a fixed amount in satoshi, no matter how many coins are going to be joined. Relative is a percentage of the amount to be joined by the taker of the offer
12:44 < megadin> ok, and which one has priotrity?
12:44 < megadin> or what decides if the absolute or the relative fee is used?
12:45 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato_] the taker decides which offer of yours he chooses to fill. You're using yieldgen-basic i guess? It's been a while since i used that
12:45 < megadin> yes
12:45 < megadin> which one do you use?
12:45 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato_] probably might wanna look at the oscillator, it auto-tunes the fees by the number of joins you get in a certain period
12:46 < megadin> ok
12:51 < raedah> what is this hostname syntax that cyberguerrilla shows? username@CgAn-818.nmt.nag29j.IP 
12:52 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato_] i assumed its a pseudonym which maps to your IP adress? Cause it's the same suffix if you join from the same IP
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13:24 < megadin> isnt there the possibility that someone with lots of funds and little demand for profit dominates the orderbook, by running several generators at once?
13:31 < pigeons> yes
13:32 < pigeons> try to join with 5 several other parties, and hopefully one of them isn't him
13:34 < grubles> ok i'm going to give this a shot: https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket/issues/431#issuecomment-190683145
13:34 < raedah> tips for maintaining open source projects, https://blog.jessfraz.com/post/the-art-of-closing/
13:39 < veqtrus> megadin: yield-generator-basic can now be configured from terminal. python yield-generator-basic.py -h for more info
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13:41 < megadin> ok thanks
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13:55 < megadin> how safe is it to use the latest from develop branch?
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14:02 < veqtrus> the latest yieldgen?
14:03 < pigeons> seems fine but i'm not taking responsibility :)
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14:56 < fluffypony> waxwing haaaai
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19:26 < JM-IRCRelay> [wifpaJTR] Anyone else getting spammed by Buvoruzes?
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