--- Day changed Mon Oct 10 2016 00:31 -!- moli [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:46 -!- Yohkii [~Yohkii@dhcp106-stud.wifi.uit.no] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:07 < waxwing> is the joinparty guy here? (now or ever i guess) 01:07 < waxwing> adlai: ping 01:08 < waxwing> ok, afk, back in an hour or two 01:09 -!- plinss [h@wowana.me] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:15 -!- solace [h@wowana.me] has joined #joinmarket 01:20 < adlai> waxwing: pong. good morning. i don't recally the joinparty implementor showing up anywhere other than reddit and github, but IRC's lack of anonymity is actually quite lacking 01:20 -!- waxwing [~waxwing@93-33-110-54.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:21 -!- waxwing [~waxwing@93-33-110-54.ip44.fastwebnet.it] has joined #joinmarket 01:27 < Anduck> adlai: i guess you get some privacy enchancement with tor 01:28 < Anduck> don't know how they have set up it currently. it did require fn account earlier and probably still does 01:30 < Anduck> after the initial setup, i think it's still better than just proxying in clearnet 01:31 < Anduck> it's all about leaking as little information as possible, to as little as possible audience 01:32 < Anduck> i could be wrong though since i'm not an expert on this field. i don't know much about "the tor effect" -whether you're much more tracked when you use tor or if it hides you better 01:32 < Anduck> btw joinmarket v2 is awesome 01:45 -!- fqtw__ [~me@x4db13540.dyn.telefonica.de] has joined #joinmarket 01:49 -!- bertani_ [~bertani@46.101.46.100] has joined #joinmarket 01:50 -!- viasil_ [~viasil@198.12.75.25] has joined #joinmarket 01:50 -!- dserrano6 [~9dsd9s9da@dserrano5.es] has joined #joinmarket 01:54 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: viasil, bertani, coins123, dserrano5, fqtw_ 02:07 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has joined #joinmarket 02:08 -!- owowo [ovovo@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-basmkdvjdykktgde] has joined #joinmarket 02:33 -!- moli [~molly@unaffiliated/molly] has joined #joinmarket 02:59 -!- GAit [~GAit@212.91.77.38] has joined #joinmarket 03:12 -!- Yohkii [~Yohkii@dhcp106-stud.wifi.uit.no] has joined #joinmarket 03:17 -!- GAit [~GAit@212.91.77.38] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 03:28 < waxwing> Anduck: thanks for the encouragement :) we have to address this whole duplicated bots thing though. we should discuss it more in here i think. 03:29 < waxwing> and the reason i mentioned joinparty is that he's coded up v0.2 apparently and he pointed out what was also always my biggest worry about it; the magnification of dos effect from the commitments 03:29 < waxwing> e.g. say you have 3/50 makers that maliciously don't complete. if you choose them and they drop at !tx then you've got commitment wastage. 03:30 < waxwing> this would be worse if they happen to be squatting the very bottom of the orderbook since almost all maker selection is weighted_order_choose which heavily favours cheaper 03:30 < waxwing> for this reason i had planned to implement "random up to a max" as an alternative maker choice algo and maybe make it a default 03:31 < waxwing> of course if we had like 25/50 malcious in that sense they'll be able to block a *lot* 03:31 < waxwing> notice that in v0.1 we relied a lot on "recovery" code that added to ignored_makers; we still have that, but it uses a new commitment so it's expensive 03:31 < waxwing> also note that shortly before the protocol switch we bumped the default makers to rand(4,6) instead of 3, which is relevant to this discussion point 03:33 < waxwing> and all this of course is a separate issue to the "duplication of bots" issue/kind of econo-sybil attack to get more fees via running several bots off same wallet (which is screwed up in all kinds of ways unless the code is properly tweaked) 03:33 < waxwing> hmm that's enough wall of text from me for right now :) 03:54 < Yohkii> It's a sexy wall, though. Shows that you're up to a fight against the attacker(s) 03:56 < waxwing> Yohkii: if you find that sexy, i am rather concerned for you :) 03:56 < Yohkii> That's nice of you :) 03:57 < Yohkii> I guess my army days of calling anything sweet "porno" got to me ehhhh 03:57 < waxwing> i also want to kind of readvertise this report: https://www.reddit.com/r/joinmarket/comments/54jtk6/yieldgenerator_is_reusing_addresses_something_is/d8cpx11 although it's a bit of a forlorn hope, maybe someone has some idea about it; how could he have issued 2 orders under those circumstances, without intending to? 03:58 < Yohkii> I'm not sure it's relevant to that, but when you run wallet-tool, it sometimes imports addresses 03:58 < Yohkii> So if you let yg run, will it "run out" of addresses after a while? 03:59 < waxwing> Yohkii: no, "import" doesn't necessarily mean new addresses, sometimes it calls "import" but actually does nothing cos the addr is already imported 03:59 < waxwing> a related point is that if you are running a yg you can now use the --fast option to optimise/speed up the load when you restart 03:59 < waxwing> need to run latest develop branch for that 04:00 < waxwing> i mean technically you can't run out anyway, it's infinite but i guess that's why you put it in scare quotes 04:00 < Yohkii> Haven't tried that, my old laptop still gets loaded relatively fast. 04:00 < waxwing> well don't worry, if it's fast enough atm 04:28 -!- fqtw__ [~me@x4db13540.dyn.telefonica.de] has left #joinmarket ["Leaving"] 04:50 -!- GAit [~GAit@212.91.77.38] has joined #joinmarket 04:54 -!- Yohkii [~Yohkii@dhcp106-stud.wifi.uit.no] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:57 -!- Yohkii [~IceChat9@dhcp106-stud.wifi.uit.no] has joined #joinmarket 05:01 -!- puddinpop [~puddinpop@unaffiliated/puddinpop] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:04 -!- Yohkii [~IceChat9@dhcp106-stud.wifi.uit.no] has quit [Quit: Wink, Wink, nudge, nudge. 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