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09:56 < tergi> is it possible to move a wallet from one system to another or do you have to restore it from the seed?
09:56 < tergi> i tried copy the json over and the wallet-tool.py wont accept the password
09:57 <@waxwing> it should definitely accept the same password
09:57 <@waxwing> the password is just used to unlock the encrypted seed
10:04 < tergi> hmmmm thats strange then.
10:07 < tergi> I am moving the python stuff into a small VM. i just completed the setup and copied over the config file and the wallet file. 
10:08 <@waxwing> VM is Linux presumably? i'm not sure how but perhaps windows/linux crossover could cause a problem. or non-ascii password perhaps.
10:08 <@waxwing> but just guessing.
10:09 <@waxwing> the password is just used to create an aes encryption/decryption key, once it's decrypted you get the master seed for the bip32 wallet. what exception is thrown?
10:10 < tergi> just says password not accepted
10:11 <@waxwing> eyeball the json files on the two systems, see if you can see a diff?
10:11 < tergi> Its all alpha Upper Lower and Numeric no specials
10:11 < tergi> though it is 100 characters long about
10:11 <@waxwing> yeah i remember double checking, i don't think a very long password is any issue. it's hashed iirc
10:12 < tergi> yea. ill see if i can pick out anythin gin the files they are the same size. everything needed for the wallet related to the hash etc is stored inside the json file right/
10:12 <@waxwing> yes just the json file in wallets/<name>.json
10:13 <@waxwing> put the wallet file in that location, but *don't* add wallets/ to the call. ie do python wallet-tool.py <name>.json
10:14 < tergi> right
10:14 < tergi> yea they look the same 
10:14 <@waxwing> yeah it's double sha2 hashed, so password length gives no issue unless it's megabytes or something :)
10:14 < tergi> without doing  a diff 
10:15 <@waxwing> permissions? it can be read? (but nah that wouldn't be the error)
10:16 <@waxwing> ping me if you have any progress, i'm a bit stumped atm
10:17 < tergi> n/p I will play around more tonight if i get time. 
10:17 < tergi> Thanks for thinking on it
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11:55 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] @tergi: maybe you have a different keyboard setting active? In some locales, z and y are switched, etc
12:09 < Empty2k12> How common is it that a CJ transaction is not confirming in over 24 hours? 
12:14 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] very uncommon. But the current overload of the bitcoin network combined with pretty unlucky block finding (and declining hashpower) are not helping
12:14 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] we were pretty spoiled by 8min block times the last 2 weeks, because hashrate increased like mad at that time
12:16 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlexCato] so anything's possible. There's usually fewer traffic on the network on weekends, but there's some time to go for that
12:20 < Empty2k12> We just need scaling. And i'm not talking about lighning
12:37 < belcher> hopefully segwit will activate quickly, joinmarket work(ed) on segnet https://www.reddit.com/r/joinmarket/comments/4fhoc9/segwit_integration/
12:37 < belcher> aside: segwit has been in development for more than 7 months? time flies
12:38 < belcher> looks like the agora botnet joker tried spamming me in pm today
12:38 < belcher> does he think he can make my irc client crash or something? his aims are unclear, i bet its simply "for the lulz"
12:45 < Empty2k12> Who is responsible for the Subreddit theme? I dislike that clicking on joinmarket in the banner brings you to the reddit main page. On other subreddits there are two links: the left one brings you to reddit.com while the right one brings you to reddit.com/r/subreddit
12:57 < belcher> it was made by u/chuckymcgee, i actually mentioned that to him and he said he'd fix it..
12:57 < belcher> if you know how to do reddit themes i can give you modship so you can do it
13:04 <@waxwing> belcher: the first segnet testnet was up like Dec 2015 :)
13:04 <@waxwing> belcher: the agora script kiddie was hitting everyone today, not just nicks in our chan
13:04 < belcher> ah     
13:04 < belcher> so its against agora itself rather than joinmarket
13:05 <@waxwing> smuggler said as much yesterday, yes
13:05 <@waxwing> it's not the first time
13:06 < belcher> takes me back... to nearly a decade ago of teenage script kiddies ddosing each other
13:10 <@waxwing> re segwit, it's kind of far from my mind now, but if people are inclined, they can start thinking about a 0.3 pit for segwit + p2sh. might be worth starting to write a wishlist/gathering of features to be added.
13:10 <@waxwing> 0.3 protocol, not pit :)
13:11 <@waxwing> i think the word pit appeared in my head because it would be natural to have 0.2 and 0.3 pits in parallel even more than it was natural to have 0.1 and 0.2 in parallel
13:11 <@waxwing> or just like in the reddit thread, 'swreloffer' etc
13:11 < belcher> yep it would be backwards compatible
13:11 < belcher> just add a new offer type, in fact id planned for a while to refactor the code a bit to make it easier to add new offer types since i had some other ideas for new ones
13:12 < belcher> "just" add a new offer type :D
13:12 <@waxwing> to update you on my status, this is the last thing i've done: https://github.com/AdamISZ/joinmarket-clientserver
13:13 < belcher> what is the client part of joinmarket in your mind?
13:13 <@waxwing> a couple of days ago i got an electrum tx working again in this model, the idea'd be that you could install the daemon and the client code separately, then the client code can run with any wallet/bitcoin backend in *theory*
13:13 < belcher> aah, so then the backend is on an always-on daemon
13:13 <@waxwing> the idea here is basically similar to what i discussed before, where the "server" (daemon or not) is responsible for the jm protocol as current, it needs libnacl and irc and handles that
13:13 <@waxwing> yeah
13:14 < belcher> got it
13:14 <@waxwing> and the client is responsible for bitcoin and cjpeer (currently haven't looked at maker, only taker so far) code
13:14 <@waxwing> so when i load it in electrum, it automatically recognizes that the jm secp bitcoin code isn't there, and loads the bitcoin libraries from electrum
13:14 <@waxwing> it does podle as well using electrum
13:15 <@waxwing> one hairy part was that we use bitcoin signatures in the jm messaging protocol
13:15 <@waxwing> so what happens is there's a 2-way asynchronous messaging between client and daemon, and daemon requests message signatures and verifications from the client
13:15 < belcher> right so electrum would have to ask for the password twice from the user?
13:16 <@waxwing> actually the way it works right now is the plugin only needs to ask once
13:16 <@waxwing> that also applies if there's more than one input utxo; while the password is 'set' the keystore is unlocked
13:16 < belcher> ok great
13:17 < Empty2k12> belcher: I will take a look at the reddit theme tomorrow! :)
13:17 < belcher> Empty2k12 whats your reddit username?
13:17 < belcher> my status is i was working on the tor broadcast method, now im fixing up patientsendpayment to work and be a bit better, then ill work on the "connect to a single trusted node" blockchain interface
13:17 < belcher> thinking about the "connect to a single trusted node" blockchain interface because i think a lot of people are using joinmarket on tails with blockr.io... which is almost pointless
13:18 <@waxwing> i wouldn't go as far as "almost pointless", it's distinctly suboptimal though :)
13:19 < belcher> alright sure :)
13:19 < belcher> as always, depends who you're hiding from
13:19 < Empty2k12> belcher: Same as here, Empty2k12. Can't guarantee anything though. Would I also be allowed to change other visual aspects about the theme?
13:20 < belcher> depends what you mean by visual aspects, but yes
13:21 < belcher> if you get it wrong and people complain its easy to revert :)
13:21 < belcher> tbh i dont really mind at all as long as its usable
13:22 < belcher> invited you as mod
13:22 < Empty2k12> belcher: tbh some aspects look like 2001. 
13:22 < Empty2k12> belcher: Thanks. 
13:22 < belcher> how awful, its current-year after all ;)
13:23 < belcher> i cant really talk, joinmarket is still a CLI program... what is that.. 1950s?
13:25 < midnightmagic> nothing wrong with cli
13:25 < midnightmagic> SO SAY I!
13:25 < belcher> beep; echo "the eagle has landed"
13:29 <@waxwing> is there a way to have multiple installation 'targets' using python setup.py / setuptools?
13:33 <@waxwing> maybe the solution is just to have more than one setup.py
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14:00 < Empty2k12> belcher: updated subreddit theme to link to reddit.com/ on left click, reddit.com/r/joinmarket on right click
14:00 < belcher> thank you!
14:00 < Empty2k12> please report if anything breaks, will try fixing that
14:00 < belcher> thats great, it matches how all other subreddits are
14:01 < Empty2k12> Maybe the subreddit theme should be on a github repo itself so we can accept user contributions for it as well
14:02 < Empty2k12> anyways i'm finally going to sleep, its way too late
14:02 < belcher> how does it actually work? is there a single css file or something?
14:02 < belcher> okay goodnight
14:02 < Empty2k12> Yeah, i split the logo
14:02 < Empty2k12> into logo and text
14:02 < Empty2k12> logo is logo, text is the subreddit link
14:03 < Empty2k12> This may or may not break something, since the text is not part of the subreddit "logo" anymore
14:04 < belcher> ty     
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14:04 < belcher> ill let you know if i notice something off
14:04 < Empty2k12> I can update it tomorrow so the css clips the text from the full logo so the logo is technically complete, even though the reddit website uses two separate images to compose the logo
14:05 < Empty2k12> Hard to explain. Bye
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19:08 < tergi> well. i have to say im not much of a debian expert... but seems like the password just doesnt get entered correctly. typed in manually or pasted (both using SSH with Putty on windows as the client).
19:08 < tergi> I generated a new wallet and transferred it to windows and that worked fine.
19:09 < tergi> if i paste the password into the commandline just to see it, it looks ok also
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19:22 < pigeons> tergi that's weird. i doubt its debian, i've always used that for joinmarket. you didnt try the same wallet though on windows you tried a different one so maybe you have the wrong password
19:23 < tergi> No, its correct. I have one working wallet i setup on my windows PC. i decided now that im happy with running YG, that i want to move it into debian to try and isolate it from my main PC a bit. i setup Deb, and installed the JM software
19:23 < tergi> copied the wallet file over and the config file
19:23 < tergi> should work...
19:25 < pigeons> so wallet-tool.py says wrong password?
19:25 < tergi> Yes     
19:27 < tergi> i thought maybe it was some odd implementation difference in the libs maybe between os's but the linux to windows direction seems to work ok
19:27 < pigeons> the wallet is in the "wallets" directory?
19:27 < tergi> Yes     
19:28 < pigeons> look in the wallet file in a text editor
19:28 < tergi> I did, they looked identical
19:29 < pigeons> well then that leaves putty
19:29 < tergi> yea... but im not sure what it would be doing wrong, when i paste the password into a plain text editor nano or on the commandline directly its correct
19:29 < pigeons> what is the exact error you are getting
19:30 < tergi> Just the notification from the wallet-tool.py that the password didnt work and it reprompts i dont know exactly what the wording is. 
19:30 < pigeons> well paste it
19:32 < tergi> Enter wallet decryption passphrase:
19:32 < tergi>  Incorrect password
19:33 < tergi>  Enter wallet decryption passphrase:
19:35 < pigeons> give the whole command you are running
19:35 < pigeons> the wallet-tool command of course, not a payment :)
19:35 < pigeons> and what directory you are running it from
19:36 < tergi> ~/joinmarket-0.2.2$ python wallet-tool.py wallet.json
19:37 < tergi> :~/joinmarket-0.2.2$ ls wallets 
19:37 < tergi> wallet.json
19:37 < tergi> running as regular user
19:37 < pigeons> do this: python wallet-tool.py wallet
19:38 < tergi> IOError: wallet file not found
19:39 < pigeons> i wonder if a /r/n or something could mess it up
19:40 < tergi> Yea, i am not sure really. but i wouldnt think so, since my test wallet worked ok,
19:41 < tergi> and i tried typing in my password manually
19:41 < pigeons> your test wallet was also moved from windows?
19:42 < tergi> No. that was made on debian and moved to windows to see if the other direction worked
19:42 < pigeons> so then you dont know
19:43 < pigeons> there is a program in debian repo called "dos2unix" you can use or you can manually remove any carriage return or use sed
19:43 < tergi> i dont see how a /r/n would get in the mix
19:43 < pigeons> by moving it from window
19:43 < pigeons> s     
19:43 < pigeons> it has one when you make it on windows
19:43 < tergi> you mean inside the wallet file?
19:43 < pigeons> yes     
19:44 < tergi> hmm ok i would have figured the json file format would have dealt with that with the delimiters
19:44 < pigeons> use dos2unix or sed or an editor to remove any carriage returns from wallet.json
19:44 < tergi> ok     
19:44 < pigeons> might as well try right
19:45 < tergi> It did not seem to make a difference
19:45 < pigeons> and at the "file format" level, json is a text file, which will have CRLF on windows and LF on unix
19:45 < tergi> used dos2unix
19:46 < pigeons> ok even though they look identical try copying the wallet over again
19:46 < tergi> ill make a new wallet on windows and move it over and see if that works. maybe it is my password its 100 characters long. I know waxwing said it shouldnt matter but
19:46 < tergi> at this point im thinking its the only thing left that it could be.
19:47 < pigeons> i would try copying again too
19:47 < tergi> i have already done that
19:47 < tergi> tried binary and ascii xfer over ssh
19:47 < tergi> copied the wallet text and pasted it into a file
19:48 < tergi> doesnt seem to matter
19:49 < pigeons> at least it works on the windows side, so even though its definately weird and shouldnt happen, you can at least sweep to a new wallet on debian (once you test that wallet!)
19:49 < tergi> yup, its the long password
19:49 < pigeons> interesting, yeah waxwing will probably be interested
19:50 < tergi> indeed
19:50 < tergi> probably should open an issue. ugh, what a job to list out all these steps
19:50 < pigeons> and we know it isnt a clipboard buffer because you somehow typed 100 characters in correctly manually too
19:50 < tergi> i did it 3 times manually
19:51 < tergi> not saying i couldnt have screwed it up 3 times obviously
19:51 < pigeons> lol i couldnt do it once manually
19:51 < pigeons> but i bet you did it right
19:57 < tergi> interestingly, if i make a test wallet with a 100 character password same as the other wallet on deb, it works .
19:57 < tergi> so im not sure whats going on
19:57 < tergi> nothing makes sense
19:59 < tergi> huh, but when moved back to windows it fails to accept the same password
19:59 < tergi> interesting indeedd
20:02 < pigeons> try a different ssh client for fun
20:07 < tergi> hmm what other one is there haha
20:08 < pigeons> i had to use windows recently and if you install git for windows you get a great bash shell and ssh terminal that is much better than putty
20:09 < pigeons> i hear openssh is native from ms on very recent windows
20:10 < tergi> oh? yea i know bash is supposed to be coming but i dont know if its released. 
20:11 < tergi> i used smartty and it didnt work either
20:11 < tergi> oh well. im tossing on the towel for the night. issue is open for tracking and such so hopefully we can get to the bottom of this eventually.
20:12 < tergi> i might switch to this smartty client though. Putty is nice but this has the file transfer stuff built in, nice one window tabbed interface...
20:12 < tergi> easier to read
20:13 < pigeons> no really, try git for windows for your ssh needs
20:20 < tergi> alright ill check into it
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21:45 < Empty2k12_> I have a CJ transaction stuck for over 72 hours now. What would happen when nodes delete the TX from their Mempool and the TX eventually never confirms? Did I just loose my 0.1 BTC in value?
21:46 < pigeons> no you didnt lose it
21:47 < Empty2k12_> Because I have 0.1 BTC in inputs in the transaction?
21:49 < pigeons> the utxo of yours in that transaction is still valid to spend
21:49 < pigeons> yes     
21:50 < pigeons> I don't know the best way to access it with joinmarket. you can get the wallet to show you the private key in the worst case but i would wait for someone more knowledgable, 
21:50 < pigeons> but i do know you did NOT lose it
21:51 < pigeons> there are some relatively recent changes to joinmarket where its possible thaat input is blacklisted and jm makers wont include it in a join
21:51 < pigeons> i havent followed the exact details but you didnt lose it
21:51 < Empty2k12_> Thats good! Thanks. I know that I either need to spend with from another wallet or resync the blockchain for my coins to reappear. I will wait some more hours and try that then
21:52 < pigeons> yep. by "resync the blockchain" its more forcing your wallet to forget that transaction
21:54 < Empty2k12_> Yeah. Thank you very much. I guess it made sense that I would have my output txvalue(- CJ profit) as a input. 
21:55 < pigeons> the same output is still available, there is no cj profit for anyone if it didnt confirm
21:55 < pigeons> same input whatever
21:58 < Empty2k12_> Yeah. Thanks!
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