--- Day changed Sat Mar 18 2017 00:14 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.138] has joined #joinmarket 00:19 -!- takamatsu [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has joined #joinmarket 00:20 < waxwing> https://hackernoon.com/understanding-tumblebit-part-1-making-the-case-823d786113f3#.3fqp7zpbd 00:20 < waxwing> posted because it has some discussion of coinjoin/joinmarket/coinshuffle 00:41 -!- btcdrak [uid165369@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-otidttnfbnfyaieo] has joined #joinmarket 00:46 -!- stachrom [d4338865@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.51.136.101] has joined #joinmarket 01:35 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.138] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:38 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.161.138] has joined #joinmarket 02:04 < waxwing> probably this one is more interesting, actually: https://hackernoon.com/bitcoin-privacy-landscape-in-2017-zero-to-hero-guidelines-and-research-a10d30f1e034#.33mubhqm7 03:01 < btcdrak> would running bitcoind with -blocksonly node cause any problems for joinmarket? 03:01 < waxwing> hmm it might, you won't get the unconfirm callback 03:02 < waxwing> which would mean you'd keep offering the same utxos until a block came in 03:02 < btcdrak> ok, so that;s out then :) 03:03 < waxwing> haven't thought it through; it might not be actually end of the world, but until someone says it's ok, better to assume it's not 03:04 < waxwing> btcdrak: ah no hang on; what does blocksonly actually do? do you still *receive* txs on the network and just not propagate them? 03:04 < waxwing> or does it mean you ignore all messages from peers except blocks? 03:11 < waxwing> if the former it's fine (i guess obviously) 03:11 < btcdrak> waxwing: it only receives blocks, so it wouldnt know about txs until they are confirmed. 03:21 < waxwing> btcdrak: got it thanks 04:01 < waxwing> curious to see joins using ~ 240 sat/byte ... wonder where they're getting that estimate. my guess is estimatefee 1. i'm seeing a nearly empty mempool here: https://bitcoinfees.github.io/#3h 05:12 -!- arson1st [4d3a927b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.58.146.123] has joined #joinmarket 05:24 -!- zxccxz [5db78007@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.183.128.7] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:16 -!- zxccxz [5db78007@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.183.128.7] has joined #joinmarket 07:18 -!- megaddin [aladdin@gateway/shell/fnordserver.eu/x-vwugehuibxhisagi] has left #joinmarket ["Leaving"] 09:13 -!- ozma_ [~ozma@71.19.248.193] has joined #joinmarket 09:56 < belcher> btcdrak even so, then the highest fee will get confirmed 09:56 < belcher> i made sure not seeing unconfirmed txes wont crash joinmarket or anything like that 09:57 < belcher> oh wow btc is below $1000 10:01 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has joined #joinmarket 10:12 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:16 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-240-13-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #joinmarket 10:17 < ozma_> anybody else having trouble getting wallet history from blockr? 10:17 < ozma_> 522s from cloudflare 10:21 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:34 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 10:38 < waxwing> belcher: yeah i couldn't think of anything given confirm without unconfirm is handled; but wanted to be cautious since i never used blocksonly. also it's slightly antisocial behaviour from a maker to keep offering after broadcast, so there's that. 10:38 < waxwing> ozma_: yeah i got it earlier today on testnet; seems blockr becomes less and less usable 10:38 < waxwing> (this was clearnet) 10:45 < ozma_> the only alternative is running your own node? D: 10:46 < ozma_> not super familiar with joinmarket yet 10:46 -!- stachrom [d4338865@gateway/web/freenode/ip.212.51.136.101] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:47 < waxwing> ozma_: well it's definitely the best. but not quite; there's an electrum plugin, and there's also a bc.i and electrum interface - but those last 2 are not well tested, and just not great generally. 10:47 < waxwing> a Core node is really the right way to use it, in general. 10:50 < waxwing> hmm i can load the plugin on tails, that's something. need to enable localhost-localhost ports though i think. 10:50 < ozma_> ahh yea I just got a response too 10:51 < ozma_> that's good, was hoping to try it out with blockr first before committing to running a full node 10:53 < waxwing> for running a yield generator, it's pretty much required. but sure you can try it out i guess. 11:14 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has joined #joinmarket 11:55 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has quit [Remote 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[~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has joined #joinmarket 15:13 -!- Numin0us [~Numin0us@unaffiliated/numin0us] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:21 -!- takamatsu [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has quit [Quit: (┛◉Д◉)┛┻━┻] 16:35 < MaxSan> belcher: 16:36 < MaxSan> error pushing = -26 258: txn-mempool-conflict unable to pushtx failed to push tx, ending 16:36 < MaxSan> ?will that ever rebroadcast 16:36 < belcher> maybe a utxo is already spent? 16:36 < MaxSan> maybe 16:42 < MaxSan> hmmm 16:42 < MaxSan> had it again 16:42 < belcher> are you using a full node or blockr or electrum server? 16:42 < MaxSan> full node 16:42 < belcher> it might be that blockr is behind on blocks 16:42 < belcher> oh 16:42 < belcher> interesting 16:43 < belcher> MaxSan try syncing without --fast 16:43 < belcher> btcdrak was telling me something odd earlier that is possible related and not using --fast fixed it... so try that 16:43 < belcher> those bugs simply shouldnt happen really... joinmarket checks 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