--- Day changed Tue Apr 18 2017 00:14 -!- eer [bf65ecd9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.191.101.236.217] has joined #joinmarket 00:16 -!- eer [bf65ecd9@gateway/web/freenode/ip.191.101.236.217] has quit [Client Quit] 00:28 < gmaxwell> Updated banlist, GUI syntax: https://0bin.net/paste/9-U2K5VAcNcwlkEC#tDH6rOexqs2m6EdakyhKBJLkECGZQj4eJYrnY4lz9Wt 00:29 < gmaxwell> Updated banlist, CLI syntax: https://0bin.net/paste/zpOc2ROfLiemvAAy#WO8UVXza2I+CWktZwf5y8eE8RjYczG8dOvb4K7dvjuB 00:50 -!- takamatsu [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has joined #joinmarket 02:07 -!- sudo_pscience [kc@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-zlinfnlborrcaywt] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:58 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.162.79] has joined #joinmarket 03:34 -!- FASDFSF [~FASDFSF@unaffiliated/fasdfsf] has joined #joinmarket 03:59 -!- MrNobody [~MrNobody@207.38.185.36] has joined #joinmarket 03:59 -!- MrNobody [~MrNobody@207.38.185.36] has quit [Client Quit] 04:00 -!- MrNobody0000 [~MrNobody0@207.38.185.36] has joined #joinmarket 04:19 -!- sudo_pscience [~kc@c-73-8-166-104.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has joined #joinmarket 04:23 -!- MrNobody0000 [~MrNobody0@207.38.185.36] has left #joinmarket [] 04:24 -!- sudo_pscience [~kc@c-73-8-166-104.hsd1.in.comcast.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:41 -!- sudo_pscience [kc@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-guilwjzzgndjjbay] has joined #joinmarket 04:43 < waxwing> gmaxwell: thanks 05:03 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.162.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:15 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@62.90-149-73.nextgentel.com] has quit [Quit: lnostdal] 05:15 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@62.90-149-73.nextgentel.com] has joined #joinmarket 05:23 -!- belcher_ [~user@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:23 -!- belcher_ [~user@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 05:32 < Anduck> what qualifies to be included in the banlist? 05:38 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.162.79] has joined #joinmarket 05:46 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:47 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #joinmarket 07:00 < belcher_> Anduck: i believe its those nodes that aggressively connect to everything to try to deanon users 07:07 < Anduck> alright 07:23 -!- FASDFSF [~FASDFSF@unaffiliated/fasdfsf] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:24 -!- bsm1175322 [~mcelrath@135.84.167.210] has joined #joinmarket 07:26 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.162.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:32 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-240-13-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #joinmarket 08:15 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.162.79] has joined #joinmarket 09:25 -!- Jerel [~Jerel@188.226.139.184] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:39 -!- takamatsu [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has quit [Quit: (┛◉Д◉)┛┻━┻] 09:39 -!- belcher [~user@2a02:c7d:b93f:2300:e556:8185:741f:7ba4] has joined #joinmarket 09:39 -!- belcher [~user@2a02:c7d:b93f:2300:e556:8185:741f:7ba4] has quit [Changing host] 09:39 -!- belcher [~user@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 10:02 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:07 < arubi> I'm toying with combining TX2 and TX3 from http://i.imgur.com/xn6HwFw.png into something like https://git.io/vSNSY where AX and CX are alice's and carol's secrets, which are actually signatures. the idea is to incrementally exchange signatures for better terms of this transaction, while also exchanging a pair of traditionally locktimed transactions. have this single one as a fallback, broadcast only if needed, and if all goes well (both 10:07 < arubi> cooperate), not broadcast at all 10:08 < arubi> er, '@' just means "minimal push".. also this is just a prototype :) 10:09 < waxwing> arubi: interesting. are we edging towards lightning? :) 10:10 < arubi> I also got the same vibe :) seems like lightning is coinswap on spead 10:10 < waxwing> oh, AX and CX are signatures? this'll be a headscratcher :) 10:10 < arubi> oh yes I mean, at first I was exchanging secrets and setting the multisig to be either 1 or 2 of 2, but then why bother :) 10:11 < waxwing> but what are they signatures of? TX4/TX5? 10:12 < waxwing> but hang on, you can't know it's a signature before it's revealed.maybe reinventing tumblebit, not lightning ? :) 10:13 < arubi> I'm aiming for two signatures to be exchanged from both alice and carol for a total of 4. one pair would be a very restrictive signature that agrees to a transaction where fees are paid by the other party, and the second one is the actual secret that splits the fees 10:14 < arubi> if I can make it work, then eventually when this transaction is signed by both parties, and takes care of the fees, then exchanging the traditionally locked transactions (same inputs, but the actual coinswap) might be much easier 10:16 < waxwing> "agrees to a transaction where fees are paid by the other party"? does that refer to 2 transactions then? 10:17 < belcher> yes coinswap is quite similar to LN 10:17 < waxwing> sure it's like the starting point of the idea, i guess. or something like. 10:18 < arubi> yes, that is if the fallback broadcasts, so that the person collecting their (I forget the term, receiving back their money) is not losing any 10:18 < arubi> getting back the same amount, and the fee is paid by the last to commit 10:18 < belcher> havent read in detail but an issue with combining tx2 and tx3 is sometimes you need to broadcast one but not the other 10:18 < belcher> i.e. tx3 is broadcasted on one side but tx0 is broadcast on the other 10:19 < arubi> well tx0 pays for tx2. if tx3 is broadcast, and tx0 isn't double spent or sent to carol, then carol could relay it herself 10:19 < arubi> (at least, she should be if tx3 is final) 10:23 < belcher> i cant think about it right now but last time i thought there was something like that 10:23 < belcher> if its not a problem then good :) 10:23 < waxwing> belcher: yeah in my version you need to be able to broadcast either one or other. don't understand arubi 's setup yet. 10:24 < arubi> the idea here is, alice should have no problem committing to pay fees first before L1 (as she can double spend by then), then carol could take commit to the fees as it's before L0 (alice double spends? fine, nothing is lost, she doesn't continue and L1 is close? double spend.), then alice knows that carol can just spend before L0 if she doesn't act, so she'll just want to reveal a final signature for a "2 participants coinjoin" made of this 10:24 < arubi> transaction, then carol can see a signed coinjoin by alice to L0, so she says "fine, let's make it sooner" and tells alice her secret signature fore L1. eventually they have a final coinjoin for L1, so it's very easy to exchange locktimed transactions for a coinswap instead :) 10:24 < arubi> hopefully I understand it, still need to actually create a walkthrough, will let you know 10:25 < waxwing> this stuff is hard. i need like coloured pens and lots of paper before i come close to being clear :) 10:25 < belcher> yes they are hard to analyse 10:25 < belcher> flow charts maybe 10:26 < arubi> a regtest block explorer.. that would be very helpful 10:26 -!- belcher_ [~user@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 255 seconds] 10:26 < waxwing> yeah i did one today for carol's backout case in case of not getting the secret. there are way more possible paths in that than i thought (like 3 or 4). 10:26 < waxwing> accounting for double spend possibility. 10:27 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlfredoGarcia] does jm use banlist auto? 10:27 < JM-IRCRelay> [AlfredoGarcia] or I have to put it in? 10:27 < waxwing> alfredogarcia no, that banlist is for your bitcoin core 10:27 < waxwing> entirely up to you 10:27 < waxwing> idea is that there are a lot of snooping bitcoin nodes out there 10:27 -!- belcher_ [~user@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 10:29 < waxwing> arubi: my brain just melted, i'll wait for more details :) 10:29 < arubi> will provide :) 10:50 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.162.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:14 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.162.79] has joined #joinmarket 11:28 -!- bsm1175322 [~mcelrath@135.84.167.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:34 -!- bsm1175322 [~mcelrath@135.84.167.210] has joined #joinmarket 12:29 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:29 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #joinmarket 13:51 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has joined #joinmarket 14:55 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:36 -!- bsm1175322 [~mcelrath@135.84.167.210] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:45 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.162.79] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:45 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has quit [Ping timeout: 248 seconds] 16:46 -!- arubi [~ese168@gateway/tor-sasl/ese168] has joined #joinmarket 16:48 -!- MaxSan [~one@213.152.162.79] has joined #joinmarket 17:14 -!- juscamarena [~justin@47.148.176.74] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:16 -!- juscamarena [~justin@47.148.176.74] has joined #joinmarket 17:16 -!- juscamarena is now known as Guest36442 17:47 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-240-13-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 18:05 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-240-13-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has joined #joinmarket 19:11 -!- belcher [~user@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:20 -!- thread_ [ac624344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.172.98.67.68] has joined #joinmarket 21:21 < thread_> Is it normal to connect and disconnect from the 2 irc servers over and over again when running the tumbler script? 21:22 < thread_> getting "failed to send ping message on socket" 21:24 < thread_> and "irc ping timed out" a lot 21:25 < thread_> I'm not having any success with the tumbler script due to this issue 21:26 < thread_> and uh "errored while trying to quit: error(110, 'Connection timed out')" 21:27 < thread_> connection is stable and speed is fine 21:43 -!- thread_ [ac624344@gateway/web/freenode/ip.172.98.67.68] has quit [Quit: Page closed] 21:50 -!- a_ryan [~freyjafj@2a01:d0:d6f9:1338::1338:1342] has quit [Quit: a_ryan] 21:52 -!- sadloki [~sadloki@2a01:d0:d6f9:1338::1338:1342] has joined #joinmarket 21:56 -!- sadloki [~sadloki@2a01:d0:d6f9:1338::1338:1342] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:58 -!- merfynwen [~merfynwen@2001:4800:78ff:5e:be76:4eff:fe04:9ae2] has joined #joinmarket 21:58 -!- merfynwen is now known as a_ryan 22:00 -!- a_ryan [~merfynwen@2001:4800:78ff:5e:be76:4eff:fe04:9ae2] has quit [Client Quit] 22:00 -!- kawamura [~kawamura@i.make.500.dollars.an.hour.logging.chat] has joined #joinmarket 22:00 -!- kawamura is now known as a_yan 22:00 -!- a_yan is now known as a_ryan 22:52 -!- Giszmo [~leo@pc-240-13-215-201.cm.vtr.net] has quit [Quit: Leaving.] 23:27 -!- coins123 [~coins123@ip-244-225.sn1.clouditalia.com] has joined #joinmarket 23:27 -!- coins123 [~coins123@ip-244-225.sn1.clouditalia.com] has quit [Changing host] 23:27 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has joined #joinmarket 23:29 -!- coins123_ [~coins123@ip-244-225.sn1.clouditalia.com] has joined #joinmarket 23:29 -!- coins123 [~coins123@unaffiliated/coins123] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer]