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01:33 < GitHub69> [joinmarket-clientserver] fivepiece opened pull request #219: Use gpg for fetching keys from key servers (master...installsh_gpg_recv_keys) https://git.io/fpZWq
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01:37 < arubi> +15 -15 .  feels like indiana jones switching a weight for the golden idol
01:45 < arubi> oh no something is wrong..  checking
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01:56 < arubi> oh right, travis doesn't have the signature file for sodium, but it has the .tar.gz itself so it skips the download
02:17 < arubi> ok, basically an edge case in how install.sh decides whether to download dependencies or not.  I explain in a comment on the PR
03:38 < Sentineo> maybe a stupid idea, but there is bisaq a dex where you need btc ro start trading. Then there is jmcs where you sell your inputs Maybe an interesting hybrid could be done where one gives inputs for new traders and they would give their new coins as a means to coinjoin later, increasing the number of available coins to join. Just thinking out laud, maybe a total nonsense.
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04:22 < belcher> Sentineo whats bisaq? and whats a dex? i assume jmcs is joinmarket-clientserver
04:22 < belcher> im not sure how that would work since coinjoin needs to be atomic
04:23 < belcher> in your situation could someone borrow coins and then not give them back?
04:24 < Sentineo> bisq, sorry. And dex is a decentalised exchange. They work with multisig anyways, so I would be atomic - imho
04:24 < Sentineo> they have a nice order book, running over tor
04:25 < Sentineo> *it would be atomic * - not I :)
04:25 < Sentineo> when you make a trade you need to pay a security deposit, that is why you need btc to buy btc.
04:26 < belcher> yes     
04:26 < Sentineo> that deposit is released once the trade goes through well
04:26 < belcher> how does coinjoin come into it?
04:33 < Sentineo> well maybe there is no place for it. I was just thinking that when one is a market maker at join markect client-server (jmcs) the goal is to make profit on ones inputs, right? I have no idea how would that work technically, but the question is if it is interesting incentive wise. Like a market maker in jmcs could lend his inputs and get paid for it for a bisq trade. But the bisq trader would perhaps 
04:34 < Sentineo> be forced to coinjoin later, or use jmcs, something like that. The person gets to buy bitcoin without bitcoin, might increase the persons privacy and the liquidity of jmcs. Besides perhaps jmcs would not need to use the irc, but could use bisq order book for that, or just another place to use it. 
04:35 < Sentineo> I mean the person would get to bui bitcoins without first needing bitcoins (a show stopper for people who have no crypto at all)
04:36 < belcher> thats basically offering loans
04:36 < belcher> so theres counterparty risk
04:36 < belcher> remember in bisq the deposit could be lost, if the arbitrator rules against them
04:37 < Sentineo> that is true
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12:18 < belcher> someone break this scheme for a near-total private donation:
12:18 < belcher> run bitcoin core via tor, download some extra few hundred gigabytes of data over Tor so that the total download bandwidth isn't exactly blockchain-sized.
12:18 < belcher> solo-mine a block
12:18 < belcher> send the entire balance to the place you want to donate to
12:19 < belcher> then destroy the hardware you used
12:19 < belcher> (assume that solo-mining a block is practical)
12:21 < belcher> (much less solo-mining over tor and not using bitcoin FIBRE)
12:21 < belcher> wouldnt it be unlucky if you finally solo-mined a block but it got orphaned before you announced it over tor :p
12:23 < belcher> ill say this on #bitcoin too
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