--- Day changed Thu Dec 19 2019 00:37 -!- avril [wha@unaffiliated/avril] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 00:48 -!- avril [wha@cute.b.oy.hu] has joined #joinmarket 00:48 -!- avril [wha@cute.b.oy.hu] has quit [Changing host] 00:48 -!- avril [wha@unaffiliated/avril] has joined #joinmarket 01:31 -!- lnostdal [~lnostdal@77.70.119.51] has joined #joinmarket 01:34 -!- Zenton [~user@unaffiliated/vicenteh] has joined #joinmarket 01:49 -!- k3tan172 [k3tan@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/k3tan] has joined #joinmarket 01:51 -!- k3tan [k3tan@gateway/vpn/protonvpn/k3tan] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:53 -!- slivera [slivera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/slivera] has joined #joinmarket 03:06 -!- Arch10Bogan [~Arch10Bog@ns334669.ip-5-196-64.eu] has joined #joinmarket 04:20 < waxwing> belcher_, when it comes to #449 i apologise that i'm rather waffling at this point, but i could perhaps explain my pov differently: I feel that this stuff is at the level of refined improvement of the user interface, when more basic things probably make sense more to spend time on. 04:23 < waxwing> like, our UI even on Qt, even after recent improvements, is fairly basic by any normal standards. we have a *lot* of features, most of them kind of specialised things, average user probably wouldn't understand them. adding things like #449 - things that help users by restricting choices like address display is clearly good but is more the thing you focus on for a general usage wallet i feel. 04:57 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 05:11 < belcher_> makes sense waxwing, i basically agree with what you wrote in the issue 05:12 < belcher_> interesting point that blanking out with stars would result in questions from users, i hadnt thought of taht 05:20 < belcher_> ive added some comments to the test code to 471 05:21 -!- belcher_ [~user@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.4] 05:28 -!- slivera [slivera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/slivera] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:52 < belcher> i just saw this on twitter https://twitter.com/bittlecat/status/1207621591820951552 withdrawing btc to wasabi wallet results in extra kyc hassle 05:53 < belcher> this comes down to the point that it is detectable that equal-output coinjoins have happened 05:54 < belcher> the future will have to be privacy techniques where it is difficult to detect that they were even used, such as coinswap, payjoin or opening a LN channel 06:22 < waxwing> yes. setting aside the philosophical and political angle, and setting aside the fact that ordinary (retail) payments don't seem to have this problem, there is no doubt that exchanges are getting worse and worse (never mind that that one is a pretty disgusting scam factory; a lot of them are!) 06:23 < waxwing> but the other side of the argument is this: the current banking system is essentially a whitelisting system, not blacklisting system nowadays. 06:24 < waxwing> most people don't realise because they aren't often transferring huge amounts of money, and when they do nowadays, the bank will demand source of funds but it will be seen as just 'paperwork' that almost everyone can trivially comply with. 06:24 < waxwing> what we see at exchanges is just an infection from that diseased system into our own, if you'll excuse the slightly charged language :) 06:27 < waxwing> AlexCato thanks 08:17 -!- undeath [~undeath@hashcat/team/undeath] has joined #joinmarket 08:28 -!- viasil [~viasil@95.174.67.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:30 -!- viasil [~viasil@95.174.67.204] has joined #joinmarket 08:37 -!- viasil [~viasil@95.174.67.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:39 -!- viasil [~viasil@95.174.67.204] has joined #joinmarket 08:44 -!- viasil [~viasil@95.174.67.204] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:47 -!- viasil [~viasil@95.174.67.204] has joined #joinmarket 09:50 -!- bsm117532 [~mcelrath@104.129.204.135] has joined #joinmarket 10:08 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:14 -!- bsm117532 [~mcelrath@104.129.204.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 10:37 -!- Zenton [~user@unaffiliated/vicenteh] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:41 -!- bsm117532 [~mcelrath@104.129.204.135] has joined #joinmarket 10:41 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 11:44 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: GAit 11:44 -!- Netsplit over, joins: GAit 12:00 < kristapsk> waxwing, about #448 (not giving QR code option for already used addresses), it's kinda, of course, not most important stuff, but it took something like 10min from idea to sending PR and I actually think it was my mistake to not do it that way in the first place and I think it should not controversial to merge (although, for example, bitcoin-qt allows to get QR code for already used addresses) 12:05 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: Lightsword 12:05 -!- Lightsword [~Lightswor@2604:a880:1:20::1d3:9001] has joined #joinmarket 12:19 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: kristapsk, vrana, technonerd, ghost43 13:34 -!- slivera [slivera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/slivera] has joined #joinmarket 14:29 -!- thunderstruck [~thunderst@S0106f0f249637173.wp.shawcable.net] has joined #joinmarket 14:45 -!- Zenton [~user@unaffiliated/vicenteh] has joined #joinmarket 15:07 -!- undeath [~undeath@hashcat/team/undeath] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.6] 15:24 < waxwing> any ideas what could cause this? related to the libsodium update presumably. https://www.reddit.com/r/joinmarket/comments/e8rgyl/new_release_061_small_but_important_bugfix/fb4etx0/ 15:25 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #joinmarket 15:29 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: ghost43 15:47 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #joinmarket 15:53 -!- technonerd [~techno@gateway/tor-sasl/technonerd] has joined #joinmarket 16:01 -!- bsm117532 [~mcelrath@104.129.204.135] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:02 -!- achow101 [~achow101@unaffiliated/achow101] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:15 -!- achow101 [~achow101@unaffiliated/achow101] has joined #joinmarket 17:20 -!- CgRelayBot [~CgRelayBo@p5DE4A9DC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:22 -!- AgoraRelay [~jmrelayfn@p5DE4A9DC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:34 -!- AgoraRelay [~jmrelayfn@p5DE4A93C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #joinmarket 17:35 -!- CgRelayBot [~CgRelayBo@p5DE4A93C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #joinmarket 19:41 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:42 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 20:39 -!- k3tan172 is now known as k3tan 21:19 -!- thunderstruck [~thunderst@S0106f0f249637173.wp.shawcable.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:38 -!- slivera [slivera@gateway/vpn/privateinternetaccess/slivera] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:53 -!- avril [wha@unaffiliated/avril] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]