--- Log opened Tue Nov 10 00:00:12 2020 00:49 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:50 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #joinmarket 01:02 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:02 -!- undeath [~undeath@hashcat/team/undeath] has joined #joinmarket 01:10 -!- asymptotically [~asymptoti@gateway/tor-sasl/asymptotically] has joined #joinmarket 01:35 -!- undeath [~undeath@hashcat/team/undeath] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.9] 01:55 -!- reallll is now known as belcher 02:06 -!- stevenroose [~steven@irc.roose.io] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.7.4 - https://znc.in] 02:08 -!- stevenroose [~steven@irc.roose.io] has joined #joinmarket 02:10 -!- stevenroose [~steven@irc.roose.io] has quit [Client Quit] 02:13 -!- stevenroose [~steven@irc.roose.io] has joined #joinmarket 02:15 -!- stevenroose [~steven@irc.roose.io] has quit [Client Quit] 02:16 -!- stevenroose [~steven@irc.roose.io] has joined #joinmarket 02:24 -!- stevenroose [~steven@irc.roose.io] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.7.4 - https://znc.in] 02:24 -!- stevenroose [~steven@irc.roose.io] has joined #joinmarket 02:26 -!- johnhmay [sid110431@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-fuslqwygqaitjysf] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:28 -!- johnhmay [sid110431@gateway/web/irccloud.com/x-kwkpmmtkwblagvtp] has joined #joinmarket 02:32 -!- openoms [~quassel@91.132.136.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:33 -!- stevenroose [~steven@irc.roose.io] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.7.4 - https://znc.in] 02:33 -!- stevenroose [~steven@irc.roose.io] has joined #joinmarket 02:34 -!- openoms [~quassel@91.132.136.76] has joined #joinmarket 02:36 -!- stevenroose [~steven@irc.roose.io] has quit [Client Quit] 02:36 -!- stevenroose [~steven@irc.roose.io] has joined #joinmarket 02:37 -!- kristapsk [~KK@gateway/tor-sasl/kristapsk] has joined #joinmarket 03:03 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:06 -!- ghost43 [~daer@gateway/tor-sasl/daer] has joined #joinmarket 03:18 -!- Ross31Wiza [~Ross31Wiz@static.57.1.216.95.clients.your-server.de] has joined #joinmarket 05:38 -!- davterra [~davterra@69.4.234.110] has joined #joinmarket 06:49 -!- tiker[m] [tikerfunky@gateway/shell/matrix.org/x-akvjgoeesxwyjuun] has joined #joinmarket 06:57 -!- tralfaz [~davterra@69.4.234.71] has joined #joinmarket 06:58 -!- davterra [~davterra@69.4.234.110] has quit [Disconnected by services] 06:58 -!- tralfaz is now known as davterra 07:15 < waxwing> planning to merge #656 this afternoon 07:34 < waxwing> done 07:40 < belcher> \o/ 07:46 < waxwing> yeah it's a cause to celebrate .. i hope :) it did occur to me that i really needed to give some context when i announced it here: 07:46 < waxwing> https://x0f.org/web/statuses/105186766600659546 07:46 < waxwing> i also put a link to that on reddit. is that link working correctly? 07:47 < waxwing> to people here, it's obvious what we did and why we did it, but to casual observers they probably don't really get what it signifies. perhaps that's not such a big deal, just "we upgraded to bech32" is good enough for them. 07:48 < waxwing> but yeah *please circulate that info now* if you can. plausible deniability for first users would be very helpful. 07:48 < waxwing> i don't expect that many to start before it gets into a release, but there should be a few. 08:01 -!- Evanito [~Evanito@cpe-76-87-174-228.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #joinmarket 08:02 < belcher> it makes using payjoin with joinmarket way more practical 08:04 < waxwing> yep, mentioned that one in the thread, also just like it's nice to have the same defaults as things like electrum and core 08:04 < waxwing> wait is core default native yet? i feel like it is but i never use the wallet 08:04 < waxwing> (as for payjoin, sadly it doesn't look like any actual merchants are switching it on yet, i tried a bunch a month or two back and found exactly zero.) 08:05 < waxwing> (maybe wasabi and joinmarket users might actually start using it between each other, but that's like .. not much plausible traffic ..) 08:06 < belcher> all we can do is build it, im sure one day they'll come 08:06 < belcher> even LN hasnt seen that much adoption... you've got bitrefill and bitfinex, anything else? 08:06 < waxwing> i think there's a lot of *small* usage patterns already in lightning, but big ones, not generally 08:07 < waxwing> i did vaguely hear about lightning being used by large traders with private channels to/from exchanges, but that was kind of second hand, so i'm not aware of any details. 08:08 < belcher> i think a biggest issue here is bilateral adoption i.e. both sides of a trade need to adopt it 08:08 < waxwing> at least how it was described to me, it just sounded like two-sided trading channels, i.e. the lightning part, but not the network part. 08:08 < waxwing> poon-dryja i guess, to be academic 08:17 < belcher> im sure it will be adopted it will just take longer 08:17 < belcher> remember when people were complaining about p2sh addresses not being usable 08:18 < waxwing> i think lightning is used quite a lot. certainly the drivel you hear about 'it's not ready yet/nobody uses it' is from people who haven't bothered to try it. 08:19 < waxwing> just like i say, i think it's mostly smaller use cases. but as a percentage of bitcoin usages, i'd say lightning usages (like counting payments) is not sub 1%. Just a guess but i'd say like 10% 08:20 -!- asymptotically [~asymptoti@gateway/tor-sasl/asymptotically] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:20 < waxwing> i'd say about .. 30-50%(?) of the places offering me to pay in bitcoin are offering a lightning option, admittedly btcpayserver is a big reason for that. 08:20 < belcher> thats great to hear 08:21 < belcher> iv only noticed bitrefill and bitfinex offering it, but admittedly i dont spend bitcoin directly much 08:21 < waxwing> yeah without btcpayserver i don't think it'd be anywhere near that. also some larger merchants that previously only offered bitpay, have started using btcpayserver or sometimes other things. 08:21 < waxwing> istr cheapair was offering via btcpayserver which kinda blew me away. 08:24 < waxwing> yup i just checked with a dummy order. it's using btcpayserver. 08:24 < waxwing> but with legacy addresses, lol 08:24 < waxwing> i wonder if they'd get complaints from users of idiot wallets if they switched to p2wpkh 08:39 -!- puddinpop [~puddinpop@unaffiliated/puddinpop] has joined #joinmarket 09:09 < dc81_> with the segwit update, as a maker, do i need to move funds to the new segwit wallet? 09:13 -!- Ross31Wiza [~Ross31Wiz@static.57.1.216.95.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:16 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #joinmarket 09:18 -!- DeanWeen [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has joined #joinmarket 09:18 -!- DeanGuss [~dean@gateway/tor-sasl/deanguss] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:22 -!- takamatsu [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:23 -!- takamatsu [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has joined #joinmarket 09:45 < waxwing> dc81_, yes, if you want to use it, you need to move funds to a new wallet 09:45 < waxwing> the existing p2sh pit will still be running for quite a while though, so it's up to you when you do it, plus it isn't even in a release yet. 09:48 < dc81_> just trying to prepare on my end, i'll probably have a start up a second instance once it's released 09:49 < dc81_> but would the suggested migration be sweeping everything in depth X to the new wallet depth X and so on? 09:49 < dc81_> or move each utxo one at a time 09:52 < belcher> method 1) is cheaper but slightly less private 09:52 < belcher> less private because it leaves evidence that those utxos are owned by the same person... however its already assumed that this information might leak if they're in the same mixdepth 09:54 < dc81_> but with 1, i should keep everything at their same depth? 09:59 < dc81_> i suppose i can slowly move larger utxos at 1sat/b when the mempool is empty 09:59 < waxwing> ultimately trying to keep every utxo isolated from all the others doesn't work, the design here is that each account/mixdepth is treated as the utxos in it are linked; it's not literally true, but it's generally true. 10:00 < waxwing> so unless you have specific needs to keep coins in 1 mixdepth isolated, sweeping them works OK. 10:14 -!- k3tan [~pi@gateway/tor-sasl/k3tan] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:15 -!- k3tan [~pi@gateway/tor-sasl/k3tan] has joined #joinmarket 10:22 -!- takamatsu [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:24 -!- takamatsu [~takamatsu@unaffiliated/takamatsu] has joined #joinmarket 10:38 -!- openoms [~quassel@91.132.136.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:38 -!- openoms [~quassel@91.132.136.76] has joined #joinmarket 11:20 -!- lukedashjr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has joined #joinmarket 11:21 -!- luke-jr [~luke-jr@unaffiliated/luke-jr] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:25 -!- lukedashjr is now known as luke-jr 11:25 -!- asymptotically [~asymptoti@gateway/tor-sasl/asymptotically] has joined #joinmarket 12:12 -!- jonatack [~jon@213.152.162.5] has quit [Quit: jonatack] 12:30 -!- jonatack [~jon@88.124.242.136] has joined #joinmarket 12:35 -!- jonatack [~jon@88.124.242.136] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:35 -!- jonatack [~jon@185.206.225.59] has joined #joinmarket 13:23 < waxwing> belcher, already 180 in test pit, tbh i think you should just kill it again 13:25 < belcher> done 13:25 < belcher> as before the key/password is "secretkey" 13:51 -!- justinmoon [~quassel@157.245.122.126] has left #joinmarket ["https://quassel-irc.org - Chat comfortably. 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