--- Log opened Fri Dec 04 00:00:36 2020 01:17 -!- Evanito [~Evanito@cpe-76-87-174-228.socal.res.rr.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:21 -!- asymptotically [~asymptoti@gateway/tor-sasl/asymptotically] has joined #joinmarket 01:53 -!- ricks_ [~ricks_@gateway/tor-sasl/ricks/x-19497574] has joined #joinmarket 02:01 < ricks_> How long does tumbling take? The TXID has 4 confirmations by now, am I misunderstanding its function? 02:05 < ricks_> I understand that 'Waiting for: xx minutes' should be the estimated time of arrival. Can someone explain what is happening during this period? 02:46 < waxwing> ricks_, the purpose of that wait is .. to wait :) 02:46 < waxwing> the idea is to reduce timing correlation 02:46 < waxwing> in the extreme you make every tx exactly in sequence with no delay (say, after the 1st confirmation), that is somewhat of a footprint on chain 02:47 -!- ricks_ [~ricks_@gateway/tor-sasl/ricks/x-19497574] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:47 < waxwing> do understand though, that tumbles are restartable if you just quit out at any point. 02:47 -!- ricks_ [~ricks_@gateway/tor-sasl/ricks/x-19497574] has joined #joinmarket 02:47 < waxwing> i slowly realised that that feature was really important because it's pretty inconvenient waiting for a day or more having the thing running, plus you can have network dropouts or just need to shut down for some reason. 02:49 -!- ricks_ [~ricks_@gateway/tor-sasl/ricks/x-19497574] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:49 -!- ricks_ [~ricks_@gateway/tor-sasl/ricks/x-19497574] has joined #joinmarket 02:50 -!- ricks_ [~ricks_@gateway/tor-sasl/ricks/x-19497574] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:59 -!- undeath [~undeath@hashcat/team/undeath] has joined #joinmarket 03:21 -!- Caleb13Schamberg [~Caleb13Sc@static.57.1.216.95.clients.your-server.de] has joined #joinmarket 04:48 -!- ricks_ [~ricks_@gateway/tor-sasl/ricks/x-19497574] has joined #joinmarket 06:21 < ricks_> waxwing: thank you, good to know. I disconnnected from IRC a few times, what did you mention that you felt was importnant? 08:05 -!- reallll [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has joined #joinmarket 08:09 -!- belcher [~belcher@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 08:21 -!- openoms_ [~quassel@91.132.136.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:21 -!- Caleb13Schamberg [~Caleb13Sc@static.57.1.216.95.clients.your-server.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:25 -!- dc81_ [~dc81@96.44.143.74] has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in] 08:26 -!- openoms [~quassel@91.132.136.76] has joined #joinmarket 08:27 -!- dc81 [~dc81@96.44.143.74] has joined #joinmarket 08:27 -!- dc81 [~dc81@96.44.143.74] has quit [Changing host] 08:27 -!- dc81 [~dc81@unaffiliated/dc81] has joined #joinmarket 08:29 -!- Zenton [~user@unaffiliated/vicenteh] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:29 -!- Zenton [~user@unaffiliated/vicenteh] has joined #joinmarket 08:30 -!- reallll is now known as belcher 08:57 -!- ricks_ [~ricks_@gateway/tor-sasl/ricks/x-19497574] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:57 -!- ricks_ [~ricks_@gateway/tor-sasl/ricks/x-19497574] has joined #joinmarket 09:16 -!- puddinpop [~puddinpop@unaffiliated/puddinpop] has joined #joinmarket 09:25 -!- ricks_ [~ricks_@gateway/tor-sasl/ricks/x-19497574] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:57 -!- Evanito [~Evanito@cpe-76-87-174-228.socal.res.rr.com] has joined #joinmarket 10:31 -!- openoms [~quassel@91.132.136.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:32 -!- openoms [~quassel@91.132.136.76] has joined #joinmarket 10:48 -!- undeath [~undeath@hashcat/team/undeath] has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.0] 11:37 -!- openoms [~quassel@91.132.136.76] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:38 -!- openoms [~quassel@91.132.136.76] has joined #joinmarket 12:34 -!- heatsinkid [~heatsinki@gateway/tor-sasl/heatsinkid] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:36 -!- heatsinkid [~heatsinki@gateway/tor-sasl/heatsinkid] has joined #joinmarket 12:49 -!- davterra [~davterra@static-198-54-131-92.cust.tzulo.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:05 < waxwing> kisbitcoin sorry i am on and offline a lot, but avg txs per mixdepth is what it says .. the tumble arranges a sequence of joins moving coins from one mixdepth to another, but not only one in each case (that's bad for amt correlation), so it can be 2 or 3 or more as you wish 13:06 < waxwing> ricks_ (also not here now) ... well the log in the /topic would tell him where he could find the backlog, but he's not here now, so :) 15:21 -!- ricks_ [~ricks_@gateway/tor-sasl/ricks/x-19497574] has joined #joinmarket 15:36 < HackRelay> [hackint-irc/ncwkrwxpq2ik] hello? 15:37 < HackRelay> [hackint-irc/ncwkrwxpq2ik] i run a yield generator and i noticed this dust attack on one of my transactions http://explorerzydxu5ecjrkwceayqybizmpjjznk5izmitf2modhcusuqlid.onion/nojs/address/36RxsijgDUXVQmx1fRRe9QfSqCFeM31LXg 15:38 < HackRelay> [hackint-irc/ncwkrwxpq2ik] all the output addresses of that coinjoin had dust land on them 15:38 < HackRelay> [hackint-irc/ncwkrwxpq2ik] thought it would be good to know 15:44 < belcher> joinmarket should resist that attack, forced address reuse as we call it 15:44 < belcher> it freezes UTXOs which land on an empty used address iirc 15:48 < ricks_> Should I run --restart on my tumbler? Its last message was 'Timed out: transaction with txid: xxx' but that tx has confirmed, along with completed entries in TUMBLE.log 15:48 < ricks_> Is it stuck? 15:49 < belcher> its worth a try 15:58 < ricks_> Would it be safe to change --MIXDEPTHCOUNT to the last depth it went to so the tumbler finishes? Here's the tail end of my SCHEDULE.log 15:58 < ricks_> https://www.zerobin.net/??3ac5238a68936813#h8aAwrClDuL8ZUDO2eRkpcwHrCrwGk/zDGITqjroJDw= 16:00 < ricks_> It's in mixdepths 2 and 3, would -M 2 work? 16:02 < belcher> you're meant to leave every option the same but just add --restart 16:05 < ricks_> Ok. I didn't read that and entered -M. It printe 'No confirmed coins in the selected mixdepth' 16:06 < ricks_> It also printed that with just --restart afrterwards. I'm going to replace the logfile with the backup I made 16:06 < belcher> only the schedule file matters i believe, not the log file 16:14 < ricks_> Good to know. My wallet has my coins in internal addresses. Am I correct in assuming this means that they have been tumbled, and I ended the script right before they would have been sent to the addresses I had chosen? 16:20 < belcher> depends on where they got to in the schedule ricks_ 16:21 < belcher> tumbler creates many coinjoins... if your script stopped right after the first coinjoin then there would be more to go until it was sent to the final destination 16:33 < ricks_> belcher: From my log it appears there have been 4 coinjoins. I am content with that. Is sending from internal and external addresses rhe same procedure? I would like to use my coins now 16:33 -!- heatsinkid [~heatsinki@gateway/tor-sasl/heatsinkid] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:34 < belcher> yes theres no difference between internal and external, its just external is addresses you send to (for example an address you give to an exchange to withdraw) and internal is addresses where the bot sends coins to itself via coinjoin 16:36 < ricks_> Thanks for the help. A different question, I sent from an external address using -N 0 from one of my wallets, would that make that wallet insecure in terms of privacy whether or not I tumble into it in the future? 16:40 -!- heatsinkid [~heatsinki@gateway/tor-sasl/heatsinkid] has joined #joinmarket 16:41 -!- davterra [~davterra@static-198-54-131-156.cust.tzulo.com] has joined #joinmarket 17:02 -!- ricks_ [~ricks_@gateway/tor-sasl/ricks/x-19497574] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:03 -!- ricks_ [~ricks_@gateway/tor-sasl/ricks/x-19497574] has joined #joinmarket 17:04 -!- HackRelay [~jmrelayha@p548666f8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:04 -!- DSRelBot [~DSRelBot@p548666f8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:12 < waxwing> > it freezes UTXOs which land on an empty used address iirc - yes, but not only empty for clarification, even if not empty at the time, the new utxo is frozen 17:14 < belcher> ah cool 17:14 < waxwing> ricks_, i mean there's no absolute answer with such things, but note the idea of 'wallet closure' (~ cluster, kinda) - if you sweep, ie spend *all* coins out of a mixdepth, and then use it again later, there is no connection with the former usage 17:15 < waxwing> if you spend out of a mixdepth but leave change, then later use the mixdepth again with some different set of coins, there can be a connection made (joining the clusters, so to speak) 17:15 < waxwing> but again it's really hard to speak completely generally. note you can use the 'freeze' method to prevent coins being co-spent if you want. 17:19 -!- dave_uy [~david@108.61.193.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:19 -!- DSRelBot [~DSRelBot@p3ee38b39.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #joinmarket 17:20 -!- HackRelay [~jmrelayha@p3ee38b39.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #joinmarket 17:31 < ricks_> waxwing: thank you 17:31 < ricks_> thanks for all the assistances guys 17:36 -!- asymptotically [~asymptoti@gateway/tor-sasl/asymptotically] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:02 -!- HackRelay [~jmrelayha@p3ee38b39.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:03 -!- DSRelBot [~DSRelBot@p3ee38b39.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:14 -!- HackRelay [~jmrelayha@p3ee38c62.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #joinmarket 18:14 -!- DSRelBot [~DSRelBot@p3ee38c62.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #joinmarket 18:38 -!- dave_uy [~david@108.61.193.26] has joined #joinmarket 18:49 -!- davterra [~davterra@static-198-54-131-156.cust.tzulo.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:13 -!- Netsplit *.net <-> *.split quits: midnight 19:18 -!- Netsplit over, joins: midnight 19:26 -!- midnight [~midnight@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has quit [Max SendQ exceeded] 19:28 -!- midnight [~midnight@unaffiliated/midnightmagic] has joined #joinmarket 19:36 -!- ricks_ [~ricks_@gateway/tor-sasl/ricks/x-19497574] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:36 -!- ricks_ [~ricks_@gateway/tor-sasl/ricks/x-19497574] has joined #joinmarket 20:09 -!- dave_uy [~david@108.61.193.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:25 -!- dave_uy [~david@108.61.193.26] has joined #joinmarket 20:39 -!- dave_uy [~david@108.61.193.26] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:06 -!- dave_uy [~david@108.61.193.26] has joined #joinmarket --- Log closed Sat Dec 05 00:00:36 2020