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06:23 < waxwing> so i'm writing up release notes now for 0.8.2 , which is being brought forward due to the bug explained in #822
06:27 < waxwing> here's the text i want to put in there for, specifically, the bug concerned (as fixed by #822): https://gist.github.com/AdamISZ/0f4e4dfeb2daa1b6e1ee850abb285714
06:27 < waxwing> comments on that text would be useful. i'll PR the release notes surely, just waiting a bit before merging #822
06:33 < belcher> for point 3 consider something like "it did not publish private-losing information on the blockchain"
06:37 < waxwing> agreed
06:37 < waxwing> kristapsk isn't here but he made a nice quip: this isn't the worst privacy fail in JM, that was when we had blockchain.info/blockr enabled :)
06:38 < belcher> haha yes
06:38 < belcher> we also had -N default to 2 for years
06:39 < belcher> increasing N has a lot of value IMO, it makes the clustering of inputs a lot harder, i think it was you who worked out that the difficulty of that grows with factorial
06:40 < waxwing> i'll take further edits to that text via the PR since i'm gonna merge #822 now
06:40 < waxwing> yeah i mean i for sure wasn't the first, but it's in any case a bigger practical factor than many realise, albeit .. not something you can rely on at all
06:41 < waxwing> so this bug sits in that very weird difficult to discuss area: combinatorial difficulty of linkage is what's affected by it, but that's never been the primary thing JM coinjoins are providing
06:41 < waxwing> but it's still nice to have, so it's .. kinda weird
06:41 < waxwing> and then there's the whole "inputs may be *exactly* the same value" part.
06:42 < belcher> the combinatorial difficulty thing wasnt in the original plan in my head, but in hindsight its turned out to be incredibly important... without it someone could unmix an entire tumbler run couldnt they
06:42 < belcher> because they just figure out all the inputs in subsequent coinjoins which belong to the taker, and that would be the tumbler run
06:43 < waxwing> i think it depends on an assumption of a static 1 taker, N makers.
06:43 < waxwing> a lot of takers in the same "time anon set" and makers not reliably being makers, kinda scuppers that without any combinatorial reliance, wouldn't you say
06:44 < belcher> i doubt the "makers not reliably being makers" is a big factor, hard to measure though ofc
06:44 < belcher> the other point relies on two or more tumbler runs happening at the same time... and even then you only get an anon set of 2 or 3 or however many takers there are
06:45 < belcher> if "combinatorial difficulty" wasnt in the original plan of joinmarket, neither was "makers sometimes acting as taker"
06:45 < waxwing> yes it always comes back to that same point that if the two sets (taker, maker) are perfectly disjoint then you have taker anon set, maker anon set
06:45 < waxwing> except as you say combinatorial etc
06:46 < undeath> waxwing: I think it would be helpful to add a short summary of what was revealed, not only what was not revealed
06:46 < belcher> thanks for finding the bug undeath 
06:46 < waxwing> undeath, agreed. it's in the text, but if it was stated unambiguously, in contrast, it would make more sense.
06:46 < waxwing> as i say i'll put in the PR for further comments from now. getting back on that.
06:46 < undeath> thanks for reviewing, belcher!
06:48 < waxwing> belcher, also sweeps though
06:48 < waxwing> undeath, oh while you're here could you save me a minute as i write these notes
06:48 < waxwing> what exactly does 'vendorize' mean in this JS context?
06:49 < waxwing> i understood that integrity check and prevention of privacy leak was involved in that change to ob-watcher, but i don't know that term
06:49 < undeath> as in, maintain your own copy of an upstream product
06:49 < waxwing> ok, that's what i thought. conceptually makes sense, the word didn't seem to connect though.
07:32 < waxwing> release notes in #824
07:32 < waxwing> incorporated comments so far, let me know if you have others
07:33 < waxwing> remaining: i'll build the binary for windows, and i'll at the same time as publishing, put warnings on 0.7.0-0.8.1 redirecting them there.
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08:28 < DSRelBot> [DS/J5EBNSYzwpCL7bzA] ty for reporting undeath and to others fixing & testing "inputs": [{"scriptSig": "deadbeef", leaks.
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14:36 < hickler> Orderbook
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17:51 < isenough> Ahaaa, you also here ;-) Good. 
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