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03:46 < waxwing> belcher_, ah interesting, thanks. yeah i remember we have a realistic soft-forky path to add them. i guess an open question is how to configure takers preference-expressing (istr  you had the idea of 'allow N/M non-fidelity' or probability based etc.
03:47 < waxwing> re nicks yeah it's tended to be above 200 for quite a long time now, it was even above 300 quite recently.
03:47 < waxwing> no doubt the in-box stuff has been a big factor; it's a pretty easy set and forget to be a maker if you have e.g. raspiblitz.
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06:26 < belcher> waxwing choosing of the fidelity bonds is described in one of those documents i wrote, its random weighted on the fidelity bond value squared, the document has maths showing that this produces a strong resistance to sybil attacks
06:26 < belcher> before that the taker excludes makers which he seems too expensive in terms of coinjoin fees
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07:17 < davterra> running JM on Raspiblitz as a maker, I just received an "error" that I've never seen before:
07:17 < davterra> Counterparty commitment not accepted, reason: verify_podle failed
07:17 < davterra> Maker refuses to continue on receiving auth.
07:18 < davterra> Any diagnosis welcome
07:19 < undeath> misbehaving taker. end of analysis. ;)
07:19 < davterra> This occurred during the initial start of the yg-privacyenhanced script. There was not enough time for a taker to act 
07:22 < davterra> I just checked and my offer does seem "live" in the OB, so I'm going to just treat is as some type of log/notification of a prior event
07:23 < undeath> this message should only possibly pop up during conversation with a taker
07:25 < davterra> Thats what I would expect. I did end a previous maker-session and reboot by raspi, without reading the output
07:25 < davterra> So maybe something occurred during the previous session that I didnt see
07:25 < undeath> jm creates a new random nick on restart, so that should not be possible
07:26 < davterra> well, I'm stumped. As I said, the message was part of the initial script startup/output.
07:26 < davterra> But otherwise everything seems normal
07:27 < undeath> maybe there simply were some neogtiations very shortly after the maker bot entered the irc server?
07:28 < davterra> I guess that's possible. Regardless, I'm not going to worry about it as long as things continue normally.
07:30 < davterra> Stopping & restarting the script gives the normal output now, without that message.
07:59 < waxwing> davterra, is it not possible that there's a taker bot out there automatically starting a conversation with every maker that it sees arrive?
07:59 < waxwing> it would make sense if it's some weird misconfigured snooping thing, that either (a) doesn't realise it needs commitments to get utxo info from you, or (b) is just trying out its luck
08:00 < waxwing> but to be clear i have no idea
08:01 < davterra> Sure, and you would know that much better than I would....but that didnt occur to me at the time, and if you're not concerned, neither am I ;)
08:01 < waxwing> the 'snooping' concept here is why podle exists; we, years ago, had people running automated bots to start but not finish coinjoins, in an attempt to sweep up as much info about utxos offered as possible.
08:02 < waxwing> they can still do that somewhat; it's the nature of the system; but we force them to have fresh coins by forcing them to provide un-reuseable but privacy preserving commitments to real utxos.
08:02 < waxwing> in a kind of challenge-reveal protocol.
08:02 < davterra> That makes sense....very good! 
08:03 < waxwing> so anyway upshot is a "mass snooping" campaign is still possible but it requires them to use up a lot of utxos. afaik we haven't seen such campaigns since the introduction of that method in late 2016 (i think it was then).
08:03 < davterra> good to know....thanks for the detail
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09:51 < waxwing> qubenix, enabled ssl as of latest commit. tests so far looking good but for sure would be helpful if you give it a try and see if there are edge cases lurking.
09:51 < waxwing> i'll do the Qt part now.
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10:41 < qubenix> waxwing: im testing it now. seems that some of the commands to the tor port are filtered on whonix, so i have to fiddle with an onion-grater profile for it.
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10:51 < waxwing> ok. all i know is txtorcon should be setting up an ephemeral v3 onion
10:51 < waxwing> there's something like `ADD_ONION NEW:BEST Port=80,127.0.0.1:44107`
10:52 < waxwing> i have a vague recollection that we spent some time worrying about how to configure tor so that the payjoin receiver worked, back when we first implemented it. i might dig up the thread on the repo about it, but later.
10:52 < qubenix> that parts fine, but i also need to use onion-grater to replace localhost to my gateway ip. right now im getting hung up on some GETINFO requests.
10:53 < waxwing> right yeah it'll not be the generic issues (for other readers, see: https://github.com/JoinMarket-Org/joinmarket-clientserver/blob/master/docs/PAYJOIN.md#configuring-tor-to-setup-a-hidden-service), doubtless it'll be specific to your setup
10:53 < qubenix> signal/names and events/names are filtered. i have to see what a typical response to those is and replace it
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11:28 < qubenix> waxwing: do you know what the extended_events feature is that it's setting?
11:31 < waxwing> qubenix, i don't. by 'it' do you mean txtorcon?
11:32 < qubenix> yeah, it seems to be doing a ton of unnecessary requests. seems like it only needs 'getinfo, authenticat, addonion'
11:34 < qubenix> this is what txtorcon is doing: https://termbin.com/be5y
11:36 < qubenix> protocolinfo, authenticate, addonion is all bitcoind does iirc
11:40 < qubenix> also in my daemon debug log i'm getting an error because it wants the private key of the onion, but it doesn't need it if it is to be ephemeral.
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11:57 < qubenix> well idk, the error about not having the privkey went away
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12:01 < waxwing> qubenix, thx, prob afk until tomorrow but keep me posted
12:11 < qubenix> waxwing: i've got the client hanging here: https://termbin.com/7jph , and the daemon log looks like this: https://termbin.com/g4in . The comms look just like this: https://termbin.com/be5y . That all looks good, but for some reason i'm hung up there. Is the daemon trying to connect back to the client on a different port or something (maybe the port that we make the onion on)?
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12:23 < qubenix> this is the onion-grater profile i'm using; https://termbin.com/rcyo
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13:08 < waxwing> the onion hasn't been started by the looks of it. the client should show a bip21uri including the onion once the hs is started.
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13:22 < qubenix> well it is sent back to the daemon. i'll keep looking at it when i have time.
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14:13 < waxwing> qubenix, so in the daemon log/output, you don't see messages like "2021-03-20 16:44:24+0000 [TorControlProtocol,client] lori4jevbjhdpdiyzixrtrxxm4hwzdepg7gbi5d7ss2v2qoq2irmm6id.onion: waiting for descriptor uploads." ?
14:13 < waxwing> i'm not sure what you meant by 'it is sent back to the daemon'
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16:21 < qubenix> i mean in the logged comms between the daemon and the control port, it is sent back to the daemon. i don't see any messages like that. i pasted the exact output of my client and daemon. it's probably a nuance of my setup that i'm just overlooking.
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17:02 < belcher> whats this telegram group about joinmarket im reading about on the github issues?
17:48 < openoms> @belcher t.me/joinmarketorg probably. Getting quite active. Please join if you use Telegram!
17:49 < belcher> nice
17:49 < belcher> who started it?
17:49 < belcher> we could add it to the readme, as long as it doesnt turn out that someone odd moderates it
17:50 < belcher> openoms ^
17:51 < belcher> wow its pretty active
17:52 < openoms> don't know the creator very well, but seems well intentioned. Kristaps K and me are admins too. Would be good to add it to the readme I think
17:56 < openoms> would be glad see @waxwing or anyone else from here there as well: https://t.me/joinmarketorg
18:03 < belcher> openoms maybe open a PR on the github to add it to the readme?
18:03 < belcher> telegram is good for reaching out to newbs but we should still be aware that its a centralized app, also is it possible to use telegram over tor? this irc chat is tor-compatible
18:07 < openoms> @belcher good points. TG needs a phone numbr to register and need to be careful to hide it from the peers. Connecting over Tor is possible even to their bot API.
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18:18 < openoms> @belcher just checked can set a proxy in the Telegram app and the Tor proxy works too with 127.0.0.1:9050 on my Debian desktop
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