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(I am referring to what you discussed earlier with rusty about adding a first fake hop) It would be great to be able to say 'I have not received this payment, I just relayed it...' 05:02 < aj> matsjj: you could yeah; you could even *actually* forward it, wait for it to fail, and then instead of passing back the failure, pass back the actual R and collect the proceeds 05:03 < aj> matsjj: not sure how convincing you could end up being though 05:05 < matsjj> yea it has to be very thought through. Just adding one hop to the route is only the first step, if you can not provide the htlc with the node where you tried to pass it on, or the messages or anything it is not very convincing 05:07 < aj> matsjj: yeah, but if you can provide too many messages, then they can see where the money actually went 05:07 < matsjj> right, saving messages is not something we want to do 05:10 -!- fkhan [weechat@gateway/vpn/mullvad/x-joobpgnlmpudepcs] has joined #lightning-dev 06:07 -!- akrmn [~akrmn@55-215-250-178.ftth.cust.kwaoo.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:26 -!- esneider [~esneider@181.94.16.90] has joined #lightning-dev 06:28 -!- esneider [~esneider@181.94.16.90] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:30 -!- mjerr [~mjerr@p5B209B7D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 06:45 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:59 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 07:44 -!- bedeho 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