--- Day changed Tue Nov 03 2015 00:10 -!- matsjj_ [~matsjj@31.74.11.194] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:41 -!- pepesza [~pepesza@dkf102.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl] has joined #lightning-dev 00:48 -!- CodeShark [~CodeShark@cpe-75-85-165-151.san.res.rr.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:06 -!- matsjj [~matsjj@79.173.166.74] has joined #lightning-dev 01:35 -!- [b__b] [~b__b]@ec2-54-85-45-223.compute-1.amazonaws.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:40 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has joined #lightning-dev 01:40 -!- mode/#lightning-dev [+o rusty] by ChanServ 01:53 < matsjj> hey rusty! 01:53 <@rusty> matsjj: hi! Sorry, I've been distracted by iblt and weak block work for Hong Kong. Hoping to finish taht this week, get back to lightning. 01:54 < matsjj> Haha, don't worry ;) Just wanted to know what you are up to currently 01:54 < matsjj> Hong Kong is in... 5 weeks? 01:55 <@rusty> Yeah, between prep for that, versionbits code and bitcoin-dev moderation, it's been a slow week... 01:55 < matsjj> Oh you are in the bitcoin-dev moderation team? Poor you :o ... 01:58 < matsjj> rusty, how is the status on the weak block? Is it the same as the bitcoin ng approach? 02:02 <@rusty> I lead the current moderation team, I guess? No, weak blocks are different... 02:06 < matsjj> rusty, you guess? ^^ It's just a non-pleasant job to do, with lots of aggression and no one being thankful for it either.. 02:06 < matsjj> rusty, in a major way different? 02:07 <@rusty> matsjj: yeah, perfect for me :) Worried about what would happen if I didn't volunteer. 02:09 <@rusty> Simple idea: send blocks which don't reach quite the threshold, refer to them to save abndwidth (and poptentially pre-verify most of the block) 02:09 <@rusty> Damn, gtg. 02:09 -!- rusty [~rusty@pdpc/supporter/bronze/rusty] has left #lightning-dev [] 02:43 -!- jtimon [~quassel@74.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lightning-dev 02:46 -!- jtimon [~quassel@74.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:52 -!- jtimon [~quassel@74.29.134.37.dynamic.jazztel.es] has joined #lightning-dev 02:59 -!- AaronvanW [~ewout@unaffiliated/aaronvanw] has joined #lightning-dev 03:05 -!- [b__b] 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I don't think it is? 18:45 < aj> rusty: https://botbot.me/freenode/bitcoin-core-dev/2015-10-29/?msg=52981438&page=1 18:46 < aj> rusty: single sided anchor:: i have some funds, i draft a tx spending that to a multisig address (anchor), and get a commitment spending that all back to me (0th commitment tx); if the anchor gets malleated, my counterparty can hold my funds to ransom. 18:47 <@rusty> True. Gah. 18:47 < aj> rusty: standard-only checks still let a miner malleate the anchor before it's in the blockchain. i don't know how bad that is really, but it's annoying 18:48 < aj> rusty: (from the rest of the convo, segregated witness sounds like it may be feasible though; but bip62 just seemed so straightforward...) 18:49 <@rusty> sw is much more ambitious, and unlikely soon. 19:31 -!- belcher [~user@unaffiliated/belcher] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:56 < maaku> well really _both_ should happen 20:00 <@rusty> Holy shit. 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